New ASA/XJT JCBA rumor....

[enuffalready]

I don't think you understand the way smartpref works. There is no need to run it multiple times in smartpref to get the most efficient solutions. The parameters are all set ahead of time and there for any bidder to see. It'll solve to those parameters on the first solution.

Your system requires multiple solutions because of its configuration.

there is no set solution to pbs... thats the point of PBS... it allows the company to run it, switch it to what fits them best.... otherwise they would stick with line bidding

 

[Nevets]

there is no set solution to pbs... thats the point of PBS... it allows the company to run it, switch it to what fits them best.... otherwise they would stick with line bidding

What I'm saying is that with smartpref, of the company wants X amount of lines in order to have X amount of reserves for any given day of the month, they set that ahead of time (and you can see those parameters ahead of time), and the software will build to that given set of parameters the first time.

Not all PBS software work the same. It's different from how prefbid works.

 

[Nevets]

however if this is something the XJT guys want... then fine... tweak what we have and add this real time bid.... but dont scrap all the great stuff we have with our current pbs

Most of you guys were apprehensive about going to PBS. But now you see that it's better than what you previously had. How do you know the same cannot be true again? I'm glad that conversation is finally starting to take place in order to ascertain that.

 

[enuffalready]

What I'm saying is that with smartpref, of the company wants X amount of lines in order to have X amount of reserves for any given day of the month, they set that ahead of time (and you can see those parameters ahead of time), and the software will build to that given set of parameters the first time.

Not all PBS software work the same. It's different from how prefbid works.

the company wants the flexibility to move around..... and that is ok with most of us... its give and take..

 

[Nevets]

the company wants the flexibility to move around..... and that is ok with most of us... its give and take..

Ya, no doubt. I don't have a problem with that as long as its a give and take, like you said. With smartpref, the company can set different amount of reserve pilots for any given day of the month. And you would see that ahead of time. It'll show you how many planned absences there are, how many duty periods have to be covered, and it'll also show you this information for you at your seniority depending on what the people senior to you have bid. For example, you want Christmas off, it knows it has 100 duty periods to cover that day, it also knows that 90 people senior to you have bid that day off, you will see that before you do anything. The company gets the coverage and reserves it feels it needs and you get to see that ahead of time and bid accordingly.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Ya, no doubt. I don't have a problem with that as long as its a give and take, like you said. With smartpref, the company can set different amount of reserve pilots for any given day of the month. And you would see that ahead of time. It'll show you how many planned absences there are, how many duty periods have to be covered, and it'll also show you this information for you at your seniority depending on what the people senior to you have bid. For example, you want Christmas off, it knows it has 100 duty periods to cover that day, it also knows that 90 people senior to you have bid that day off, you will see that before you do anything. The company gets the coverage and reserves it feels it needs and you get to see that ahead of time and bid accordingly.

Isn't flightline just as globalized as smartpref? There is a panel of "impartial" pilots who alter the weight of each preference in every bid run on the ASA side. These pilots can manipulate the solutions as much as they want. So, hypothetically, if they wanted to "look out" for a particular pilot to ensure they get a line, it's possible???

 

[Nevets]

Isn't flightline just as globalized as smartpref? There is a panel of "impartial" pilots who alter the weight of each preference in every bid run on the ASA side. These pilots can manipulate the solutions as much as they want. So, hypothetically, if they wanted to "look out" for a particular pilot to ensure they get a line, it's possible???

I don't know. From my understanding, it's strictly seniority based. I think technically that by definition, that isn't globalization. It's more like socialization though.

 

[Speedtape]

i don't know. From my understanding, it's strictly seniority based. I think technically that by definition, that isn't globalization. It's more like socialization though.

what?

 

[NotTooBad]

Isn't flightline just as globalized as smartpref? There is a panel of "impartial" pilots who alter the weight of each preference in every bid run on the ASA side. These pilots can manipulate the solutions as much as they want. So, hypothetically, if they wanted to "look out" for a particular pilot to ensure they get a line, it's possible???

Negative. They can only affect the way the whole system prioritizes the trips within one preference.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

So our people can prioritize our conditions within a preference, all our preferences. You can put lipstick on a pig too, but some would call that manipulation.

 

[Speedtape]

Ya, no doubt. I don't have a problem with that as long as its a give and take, like you said. With smartpref, the company can set different amount of reserve pilots for any given day of the month. And you would see that ahead of time. It'll show you how many planned absences there are, how many duty periods have to be covered, and it'll also show you this information for you at your seniority depending on what the people senior to you have bid. For example, you want Christmas off, it knows it has 100 duty periods to cover that day, it also knows that 90 people senior to you have bid that day off, you will see that before you do anything. The company gets the coverage and reserves it feels it needs and you get to see that ahead of time and bid accordingly.

How many airlines use SmartPref? It has been in business for over 6 years--no customers. How many pilots can attest to the result of the software in a live bidding system?

What does your researcher know that no other Airline knew that has looked at this product?

Globalization is like globalization, not like precipitation as one person has stated. The only difference can be small, system to system, because they all use different algorithms. The software has the authorithy to award pairings to a large number of pilots within a position to drive the total award towards a desired result. This method can ignore crewmember preferences to a large degree to achieve the result.

Most of what you stated above, works the same in all PBS systems.

How many customers does SmartPref have?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

How many airlines use SmartPref? It has been in business for over 6 years--no customers. How many pilots can attest to the result of the software in a live bidding system?

What does your researcher know that no other Airline knew that has looked at this product?

Globalization is like globalization, not like precipitation as one person has stated. The only difference can be small, system to system, because they all use different algorithms. The software has the authorithy to award pairings to a large number of pilots within a position to drive the total award towards a desired result. This method can ignore crewmember preferences to a large degree to achieve the result.

Most of what you stated above, works the same in all PBS systems.

How many customers does SmartPref have?

Didn't then ASA have a financial transaction with FlightLine prior to any carrier actively using it for bidding?

 

[Flyguy1226]

Word is TA is done, to be announced soon.

 

[centralpilot]

Word is TA is done, to be announced soon.

Unless it was reached today, which I doubt seriously, I believe this is false.

 

[www.]

Word is TA is done, to be announced soon.

Ding ding ding WRONG. CM and SH in arbitration today.