New ASA non-rev on Delta

[FL000]

NRSA is a travel tool. The jumpseat is a commuting tool. You can bet your last dollar that if I'm headed on vacation or pleasure travel in the back and some other joe is trying to get to work, he'd better hope he was hired before I was, or have an S-1, or that I'm in a dandy mood.

However, if it's the jumpseat that's in question, I'd surrender it to the pilot going to work, and have done so many a time.

 

[erj-145mech]

I think it's going to hurt mainline more than it hurts DCI. Delta is transferring more and more domestic to DCI. How are mainline guys gonna get to work when the newest pleeb at Skywest will have more seat seniority? DOH isn't going to mean squat.

Commuting sucks, and if it sucks too much, then move to your domicile like most of the working stiffs in America. Delta sold off ASA so why should the mainliners expect a free ride to work? Welcome to the new world order in the transportation industry.

 

[MajorAv8r]

"Regional Pilot making about 25% of what a Mainline pilot "


Wrong.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

 

[Spooky 1]

Active Delta, ASA and other connection pilots in DAL service should get priority - after all, the retired guy has got no place to be in any great hurry.

A pilot trying to get to work, or home, should take priority over folks who are not on a schedule.

Just my humble opinion & I don't even commute.

I believe active Delta personnel do get priority. As for me not having any place to go in a hurry, well that's simply not the case. BTW I have given my seat to commuting pilots, and armed forces personnel on serveral occasions when there was no hurry, so it is not as if I don't care, but I would prefer it be my choice. Don't worry though,YOU will always be in line ahead of me and I thinks that is what counts.

 

[No Delay]

However, if it's the jumpseat that's in question, I'd surrender it to the pilot going to work, and have done so many a time. - FL000

I don't commute...but there have been a few times that I have found myself in other cities and trying to get to work. Twice there have been conflicts with the jumpseat (either retired or pleasure travel) and both times the delta guy let me have the seat. I thought it was very gracious and I would do the same if ever in the same situation.

Like someone else said...J/S and Non-Rev are just extra perks. Appreciate what you have, make the best of it, and be nice to folks...and everything will be okay.

 

[atrdriver]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

I would bet that if we go back to s3c with no parents and buddy passes that we will lose between 50 and 75% of our F/A's. The majority of them put up with the low pay and constant cr@p just to be able to travel.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

I would bet that if we go back to s3c with no parents and buddy passes that we will lose between 50 and 75% of our F/A's. The majority of them put up with the low pay and constant cr@p just to be able to travel.

Pilots, too.

You think the money alone keeps the bunch of us putting up with constant bullschit?

Some tools are still convinced that it's a fair wage, and they're flying a jet, so they'd do it for free.

But a significant amount are going to leave if the bennies get cut.

Maybe that's the INTENT of Skywest? (!)

I will DEFINITELY go back to my former career if things don't IMPROVE, and I'm sure it's a matter of time before attrition kicks in for the regionals, and labor becomes short supply, even in the cockpit.

 

[Puck Mugger]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

Cool. Maybe we can replace them with some that aren't quite so fat and ugly.

 

[atrdriver]

Pilots, too.

You think the money alone keeps the bunch of us putting up with constant bullschit?

Some tools are still convinced that it's a fair wage, and they're flying a jet, so they'd do it for free.

But a significant amount are going to leave if the bennies get cut.

Maybe that's the INTENT of Skywest? (!)

I will DEFINITELY go back to my former career if things don't IMPROVE, and I'm sure it's a matter of time before attrition kicks in for the regionals, and labor becomes short supply, even in the cockpit.

I don't know how many pilots would leave aviation, but I know that many that have not applied to AT and JB because of the travel benefits will not hesitate to apply if they are cut, me included.

 

[Grassstrippilot]

what do parents and family get

Parents get either ID-90 or ID-75, I can't remember for sure but I think it is the latter. When my parents had them, they just never used them. They could usually buy full fare for about the same price on other carriers.

No Buddy Passes.
No S-2s.
No travel net.
Unlimited S3Cs, domestic only (which for Delta is basically the western hemishpere)
S3 on your own airline. Delta employees revert to S3Cs when flying on non-owned DCI carriers.

Three international travel days per year. (Essentially a RT to Europe)

All the above are based on DOH.

Better than nothing, but a far cry from what we currently have. And like someone mentioned, they may very well change in BK. I think it's going to make it harder for a lot of people to get around. Delta employees loose priority on ASA flights and vice versa.

It will be interesting to see how the benefits will work for parents on Skywest/ASA flights. Will they stay under the Delta pass system or does Skywest have a separate, in house pass system? For example, when I was at ACA, we had "blue passes" in addition to the UAL/Delta benefits. Those passes could only be used on company aircraft and afforded you the highest priority for nonreving based on DOH.

If such a system exists, at least our parents could try to get around the U.S. that way. The down side being you would be trying to nonrev on RJs everywhere you would want to go.

In the meantime, I plan to burn as many S2s as I can before they are no more.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I'm confused. Has there been a n announcement regarding our post-sale pass priviledges or is this all just speculation based on what Skywest has right now??

 

[Puck Mugger]

I'm confused. Has there been a n announcement regarding our post-sale pass priviledges or is this all just speculation based on what Skywest has right now??

It falls into the same category as the pending SLC ASA domicile closure.

 

[svcta]

Remember...

There's an entitlement issue here that needs to be checked. Remember that retired guys have always had improved priority....long before you came along. One day you may enjoy the same perk. I see this type of happening with increasing regularity; some of us need to remember the things we knew about the biz. to begin with, and we ALL knew how badly it was going to suck to be junior. At least those of us who were in the industry for more than 9 months before we could afford to buy our first job.

And here's a bit of a golden rule:

The jumpseat is first come, first served. Don't ask, don't tell. I wouldn't do either.

Don't try to modify decades of unspoken understanding with your uber-intelligence.....that road was paved long before most of us came along, and it worked for all those years.

Remember when elaine and jerry decided that they COULD have a friendship and all the guilt-free sex they wanted by establishing a framework of rules?

 

[svcta]

.................it just made things more complicated and awkward.

 

[sweptback]

What will suck will not be the S3C (I've kind of psyched myself up to take the hit), but the loss of Travelnet access. If I have to deal with that phone number anymore I think I'll kill myself.

And I agree, a lot of employees will leave if our benefits go away. Not just flight and inflight, but I bet from the GO too...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

It falls into the same category as the pending SLC ASA domicile closure.

So semi-baseless speculation and a big, fat waste of time and mind energy.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

Not just the flight attendants. When Jerry Atkin came to Atlanta the only questions the rampers had were travel benefits, travel benefits, travel benefits.... The same question got asked ( and answered ) at least four times. The only difference between ASA and Wendy's is travel benefits and the better working environment at Wendy's.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Not just the flight attendants. When Jerry Atkin came to Atlanta the only questions the rampers had were travel benefits, travel benefits, travel benefits.... The same question got asked ( and answered ) at least four times. The only difference between ASA and Wendy's is travel benefits and the better working environment at Wendy's.

God forbid any of our rampers quit. A mass exodus might be just what the doctor ordered. Perhaps Mgt might realize that they have to pay a decent wage to attract any thing other that the Fast Food Rejects who could give a sh1t whether or not the airline is sucessful.

 

[Puck Mugger]

So semi-baseless speculation and a big, fat waste of time and mind energy.

In a nutshell, yes.

I'm sure the travel bennies will change and SLC may close....but masturbating the endless possibilites to death on FlightInfo is, while entertaing, quite pointless.