New ASA non-rev on Delta

[Grassstrippilot]

what do parents and family get

Parents get either ID-90 or ID-75, I can't remember for sure but I think it is the latter. When my parents had them, they just never used them. They could usually buy full fare for about the same price on other carriers.

No Buddy Passes.
No S-2s.
No travel net.
Unlimited S3Cs, domestic only (which for Delta is basically the western hemishpere)
S3 on your own airline. Delta employees revert to S3Cs when flying on non-owned DCI carriers.

Three international travel days per year. (Essentially a RT to Europe)

All the above are based on DOH.

Better than nothing, but a far cry from what we currently have. And like someone mentioned, they may very well change in BK. I think it's going to make it harder for a lot of people to get around. Delta employees loose priority on ASA flights and vice versa.

It will be interesting to see how the benefits will work for parents on Skywest/ASA flights. Will they stay under the Delta pass system or does Skywest have a separate, in house pass system? For example, when I was at ACA, we had "blue passes" in addition to the UAL/Delta benefits. Those passes could only be used on company aircraft and afforded you the highest priority for nonreving based on DOH.

If such a system exists, at least our parents could try to get around the U.S. that way. The down side being you would be trying to nonrev on RJs everywhere you would want to go.

In the meantime, I plan to burn as many S2s as I can before they are no more.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I'm confused. Has there been a n announcement regarding our post-sale pass priviledges or is this all just speculation based on what Skywest has right now??

 

[Puck Mugger]

I'm confused. Has there been a n announcement regarding our post-sale pass priviledges or is this all just speculation based on what Skywest has right now??

It falls into the same category as the pending SLC ASA domicile closure.

 

[svcta]

Remember...

There's an entitlement issue here that needs to be checked. Remember that retired guys have always had improved priority....long before you came along. One day you may enjoy the same perk. I see this type of happening with increasing regularity; some of us need to remember the things we knew about the biz. to begin with, and we ALL knew how badly it was going to suck to be junior. At least those of us who were in the industry for more than 9 months before we could afford to buy our first job.

And here's a bit of a golden rule:

The jumpseat is first come, first served. Don't ask, don't tell. I wouldn't do either.

Don't try to modify decades of unspoken understanding with your uber-intelligence.....that road was paved long before most of us came along, and it worked for all those years.

Remember when elaine and jerry decided that they COULD have a friendship and all the guilt-free sex they wanted by establishing a framework of rules?

 

[svcta]

.................it just made things more complicated and awkward.

 

[sweptback]

What will suck will not be the S3C (I've kind of psyched myself up to take the hit), but the loss of Travelnet access. If I have to deal with that phone number anymore I think I'll kill myself.

And I agree, a lot of employees will leave if our benefits go away. Not just flight and inflight, but I bet from the GO too...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

It falls into the same category as the pending SLC ASA domicile closure.

So semi-baseless speculation and a big, fat waste of time and mind energy.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

Not just the flight attendants. When Jerry Atkin came to Atlanta the only questions the rampers had were travel benefits, travel benefits, travel benefits.... The same question got asked ( and answered ) at least four times. The only difference between ASA and Wendy's is travel benefits and the better working environment at Wendy's.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Not just the flight attendants. When Jerry Atkin came to Atlanta the only questions the rampers had were travel benefits, travel benefits, travel benefits.... The same question got asked ( and answered ) at least four times. The only difference between ASA and Wendy's is travel benefits and the better working environment at Wendy's.

God forbid any of our rampers quit. A mass exodus might be just what the doctor ordered. Perhaps Mgt might realize that they have to pay a decent wage to attract any thing other that the Fast Food Rejects who could give a sh1t whether or not the airline is sucessful.

 

[Puck Mugger]

So semi-baseless speculation and a big, fat waste of time and mind energy.

In a nutshell, yes.

I'm sure the travel bennies will change and SLC may close....but masturbating the endless possibilites to death on FlightInfo is, while entertaing, quite pointless.

 

[Ace757]

Ok children, lets take a chill pill and wait for it to be posted on MYASA before we start B!tching

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Ok children, lets take a chill pill and wait for it to be posted on MYASA before we start B!tching

Until then let's take a positive spin on this. We will kind of be the most senior "Buddy Pass" rider on the list if we are S3C.

 

[Full of LUV]

What???

I don't know how many pilots would leave aviation, but I know that many that have not applied to AT and JB because of the travel benefits will not hesitate to apply if they are cut, me included.

What?? The non-rev travel is what kept you as ASA over a major for this long??? Maybe the companies should cut the pay 30% and just throw in a few more buddy passes? I don't know for sure, but if you had a job at a major, you could buy an ID90 on delta, and lastly you could buy a ticket as you could afford it!

 

[tuna pimp]

I hope they don't screw you ASA guys too bad on pass travel. I work for Delta and fly ASA home all the time. Other than that disaster of a ground operation in ATL I've always been impressed with ASA and though it was probably nessesary I was sorry to see you guys sold off. Skywest seems like another top shelf operation and I hope it works well for you guys and that some more growth units (E170's maybe?) come your way soon with DL paint on them.

Anyways, enough butt kissing, the Thrashers game is back on.

 

[Morning Wood]

Look while you were wholly owned you had a really good deal with having DOH for non rev. When I non rev on CHQ or Skywest I'm S3C even though it's our code it's their airplanes. We all deal with it. Now the real question is what pass privledges do you you have on Skywest? Do you have DOH? Another question is have you petitioned to have your seniority lists integrated and if not why not?

Are you talking in terms of travel or operationaly? Two seperate operations,
why would they need to merge seniority lists?

 

[DAL737FO]

I ask about the seniority lists because they sure wanted to be merged into the Delta seniority list. It doesn't look like anyone is jumping up and down to be merged into the Skywest seniority list. Why the double standard?

 

[atlcrashpad]

List merger and passes issue

Don't worry that will be coming soon. I'm quite sure that one large pilot group verses two small ones will be a stronger labor force to whipsaw. Also wasn't it an ALPA bylaw to merge list when one ALPA carrier bought another?

As for passes? I'd love them to remain the same, but I doubt it. The F/A's might leave for that reason, but no pilot is going to leave because of passes. It will be money and the opportunity to fly BIGGER equipment.

 

[L1011 Rules!]

Ahh!! What most of your forget is a day not so long ago Jumpseat travel on DL was not allowed. It is up to the indivisdual if they prefer to commute, but for me I live in this simmering pot of hell call ATL so I DON'T have to worry about commuting......I wanna go home I buy a ticket, sure as hell not getting on even using a S-2. Pass travel the last I checked is listed under BENEFITS! Not as your right as an airline employee.....Not to mention an S3C is better than most airlines pass benefits these days.....Find me anohter carrier that will fly you for FREE (no pass charges) and also put you in first if available for no additional cost? AA....Noop UA....Noop US....Noop CO....Noop NW....Noop SW/JB.....Free/No F/C AT.....HMMM next best after DL!

 

[L1011 Rules!]

I ask about the seniority lists because they sure wanted to be merged into the Delta seniority list. It doesn't look like anyone is jumping up and down to be merged into the Skywest seniority list. Why the double standard?

When was the last time you collected food stamps and worked at the same time? Never!

Who the he11 wants to accept a lateral move or a step backwards? Most of us regional guys barely make enough to rub 2 nickles togethewr....So why would we not like to have the opportunity to be with a major....after all isn't that why most of us are here at a regional?

Military guys will never understand.....I say that from many years of experience training you guys......I am not saying anything bad about you but until you work your way through the system as a civi you really don't understand the sacrifice of a civi guy...just like we don't know your sacrifice as a military guy other than protecting us from the world full of a$$holes looking to kill us americans because we live free!

 

[puddlejumper101]

guys...are we forgetting something?

Last I checked...there is currently a cleaning of that dark grey building called ASA G/O. With Chucky gone, and more to come...I would gladly put up with S3C for better work rules than the crap we put up with. I realize we got lucky under the Delta umbrella when it came to the beanies...but think about this, a Skywest pilot makes more than any of us...why? LOOK AT THEIR WORK RULES...they are not even union and they have duty and trip rigs???? I am here at ASA...and will be here until I can leave to something better (if it ever happens). In the meantime...better work rules makes up for those S2s any day...and I am a commuter. Guys...we don't even have a commuter clause and this is after they shut down DFW...a company that gives a crap about its people would have implemented one out of good faith knowing 1500 crew members (including FAs) were being relocated to ATL and SLC. The only thing we got was the former VP of Human Resources telling us pilots we were lucky to have a job, and we choose were we live so live with it...We were spoiled with our travel benefits...I enjoyed and used them and I think the reason we worry about it right now is because that was the BEST thing about working here. Loose the benefits but change the company culture and make this place a little more pleasant???? I welcome it with open arms. For those that disagree...bid relief or reserve for a month and see how you like it. Let Crew Screw have their way with you for a month and you will appreciate a change sooner rather than later. I will miss my S2s and S3s...but it makes up for it if I can go home when I am supposed to instead of when they let me.

 

[DAL737FO]

Military guys will never understand.....I say that from many years of experience training you guys......I am not saying anything bad about you but until you work your way through the system as a civi you really don't understand the sacrifice of a civi guy...just like we don't know your sacrifice as a military guy other than protecting us from the world full of a$$holes looking to kill us americans because we live free!

You know your rant about military guys might have been more effective if you had looked at my profile and saw I was a former army pilot. You see, other than EJA (Now NJA), no one would count my turbine helo time for their mins. So unlike the Navy and Air Force jet jocks I spent my time at EJA flying in the civilian system until I had the qualifications to go on to the majors. As for the sacrifce, you made the decision to go the civilian route just like I made the decision to go the "military route". I'd rather not get into who suffered more. I was on furlough from Delta for almost three years and I can tell you hands down the hardest flying/path that I've seen is night freight. If a person hasn't done it they just don't understand.