New ASA non-rev on Delta

[Well-hung Start]

Think about this:

You are in uniform trying to commute to work as a Regional Pilot making about 25% of what a Mainline pilot now makes. You are S3C.

A RETIRED Mainline pilot, who not only earned each year of his career what it takes you about 10 years to earn now, but who retired several years ago with a lump sum which, in one check, exceeded your entire career earnings, is standby for the same flight. He is S3B.

That's what's happening!

But you're living the dream.

 

[Crash Pad]

You forgot the flight instructor from the comair accademy who is an S3!

 

[socony_air]

Um, yeah, but he actually worked for DELTA.... whom do you work for????
I mean, what do you expect? In case you didn't get the memo - free rides in life are hard to come by; take 'em where you can get 'em & don't bitch about what somebody else got.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

What would the NRSA classification be if it were an ASA flight instead of a Delta one?

 

[Well-hung Start]

Um, yeah, but he actually worked for DELTA.... whom do you work for????
I mean, what do you expect? In case you didn't get the memo - free rides in life are hard to come by; take 'em where you can get 'em & don't bitch about what somebody else got.

Yo, asswhole.....

Can you buy a ticket on ASA? No...it's a Delta ticket.

Don't for a minute pretend that regional airlines are nothing other than ultra-low-wage alter-egos for big carriers that are looking to screw their own employees as well. You're next!

And what sense does it make to have retirees live off the fat, while the airline is hemorrhaging cash? Bad morale is the single largest liability for legacy carriers, after jet fuel. And having some ex-L1011 rich lardass captain ride for free while the workers get screwed argues for LIQUIDATION of the company......and not anything a bankruptcy court should allow.

 

[furlough-boy]

Yo, asswhole.....

Can you buy a ticket on ASA? No...it's a Delta ticket.

Don't for a minute pretend that regional airlines are nothing other than ultra-low-wage alter-egos for big carriers that are looking to screw their own employees as well. You're next!

And what sense does it make to have retirees live off the fat, while the airline is hemorrhaging cash? Bad morale is the single largest liability for legacy carriers, after jet fuel. And having some ex-L1011 rich lardass captain ride for free while the workers get screwed argues for LIQUIDATION of the company......and not anything a bankruptcy court should allow.

Get a job at Delta.

 

[socony_air]

Oh, well if he's a lardass, maybe we should take his pension too - that should trim some fat. We can't have anyone like that on the company dole while you go without your "entitled" free ride to work. I work for ASA. I've commuted for years, so I know it's frustrating not to get on - but that's the deal. Get over it.
By the way, what difference would it make to the bankruptcy court whether it's some lardass in the seat or your dumbass??? Neither provide any revenue.
Not to mention, your original post makes it sound like you're referencing a Mainline flight - not an ASA flight (where you may have had more of a point).

 

[Well-hung Start]

You forgot the flight instructor from the comair accademy who is an S3!

Oh.....but he's a DELTA pilot....

 

[atrdriver]

My understanding is that an ASA employee/family will have priority on ASA flights, regardless of pass classification.

 

[Ace757]

This is terrible

 

[Puck Mugger]

Think about this:

You are in uniform trying to commute to work as a Regional Pilot making about 25% of what a Mainline pilot now makes. You are S3C.

A RETIRED Mainline pilot, who not only earned each year of his career what it takes you about 10 years to earn now, but who retired several years ago with a lump sum which, in one check, exceeded your entire career earnings, is standby for the same flight. He is S3B.

That's what's happening!

But you're living the dream.

Move to your domicile or quit whining about commuting.

 

[CarRamRod]

Because it's unforgettable

It says it all

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[sweptback]

I don't see any announcement guys, where's it at?

 

[N813CA]

what do parents and family get

 

[Jungle Prop]

Guys, I fly for ASA and don't expect to be put above a retired Delta pilot. Are you saying all the years the retiree put in are not worth as much as your possible 10 years? I hope we don't lose our priority travel but I think you have to expect it under the circumstances with rumors that mainline travel bennies are gonna be cut some.

 

[gringo]

Ha ha ha ha!

Sorry guys, can't help it. NOW I remember why I quit haulin trash and went back to cargo!

 

[DAL737FO]

Look while you were wholly owned you had a really good deal with having DOH for non rev. When I non rev on CHQ or Skywest I'm S3C even though it's our code it's their airplanes. We all deal with it. Now the real question is what pass privledges do you you have on Skywest? Do you have DOH? Another question is have you petitioned to have your seniority lists integrated and if not why not?

 

[Smacktard]

Look while you were wholly owned you had a really good deal with having DOH for non rev. When I non rev on CHQ or Skywest I'm S3C even though it's our code it's their airplanes. We all deal with it. Now the real question is what pass privledges do you you have on Skywest? Do you have DOH? Another question is have you petitioned to have your seniority lists integrated and if not why not?

I think it's going to hurt mainline more than it hurts DCI. Delta is transferring more and more domestic to DCI. How are mainline guys gonna get to work when the newest pleeb at Skywest will have more seat seniority? DOH isn't going to mean squat.

 

[Puck Mugger]

How are mainline guys gonna get to work when the newest pleeb at Skywest will have more seat seniority?

Who gives a sh1t?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Active Delta, ASA and other connection pilots in DAL service should get priority - after all, the retired guy has got no place to be in any great hurry.

A pilot trying to get to work, or home, should take priority over folks who are not on a schedule.

Just my humble opinion & I don't even commute.

 

[FL000]

NRSA is a travel tool. The jumpseat is a commuting tool. You can bet your last dollar that if I'm headed on vacation or pleasure travel in the back and some other joe is trying to get to work, he'd better hope he was hired before I was, or have an S-1, or that I'm in a dandy mood.

However, if it's the jumpseat that's in question, I'd surrender it to the pilot going to work, and have done so many a time.

 

[erj-145mech]

I think it's going to hurt mainline more than it hurts DCI. Delta is transferring more and more domestic to DCI. How are mainline guys gonna get to work when the newest pleeb at Skywest will have more seat seniority? DOH isn't going to mean squat.

Commuting sucks, and if it sucks too much, then move to your domicile like most of the working stiffs in America. Delta sold off ASA so why should the mainliners expect a free ride to work? Welcome to the new world order in the transportation industry.

 

[MajorAv8r]

"Regional Pilot making about 25% of what a Mainline pilot "


Wrong.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

 

[Spooky 1]

Active Delta, ASA and other connection pilots in DAL service should get priority - after all, the retired guy has got no place to be in any great hurry.

A pilot trying to get to work, or home, should take priority over folks who are not on a schedule.

Just my humble opinion & I don't even commute.

I believe active Delta personnel do get priority. As for me not having any place to go in a hurry, well that's simply not the case. BTW I have given my seat to commuting pilots, and armed forces personnel on serveral occasions when there was no hurry, so it is not as if I don't care, but I would prefer it be my choice. Don't worry though,YOU will always be in line ahead of me and I thinks that is what counts.

 

[No Delay]

However, if it's the jumpseat that's in question, I'd surrender it to the pilot going to work, and have done so many a time. - FL000

I don't commute...but there have been a few times that I have found myself in other cities and trying to get to work. Twice there have been conflicts with the jumpseat (either retired or pleasure travel) and both times the delta guy let me have the seat. I thought it was very gracious and I would do the same if ever in the same situation.

Like someone else said...J/S and Non-Rev are just extra perks. Appreciate what you have, make the best of it, and be nice to folks...and everything will be okay.

 

[atrdriver]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

I would bet that if we go back to s3c with no parents and buddy passes that we will lose between 50 and 75% of our F/A's. The majority of them put up with the low pay and constant cr@p just to be able to travel.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

I would bet that if we go back to s3c with no parents and buddy passes that we will lose between 50 and 75% of our F/A's. The majority of them put up with the low pay and constant cr@p just to be able to travel.

Pilots, too.

You think the money alone keeps the bunch of us putting up with constant bullschit?

Some tools are still convinced that it's a fair wage, and they're flying a jet, so they'd do it for free.

But a significant amount are going to leave if the bennies get cut.

Maybe that's the INTENT of Skywest? (!)

I will DEFINITELY go back to my former career if things don't IMPROVE, and I'm sure it's a matter of time before attrition kicks in for the regionals, and labor becomes short supply, even in the cockpit.

 

[Puck Mugger]

I know alot of FAs at ASA that work there only for the travel benefits. If their priority changes I bet there will be a mass exodus of FAs. Thoughts?

Cool. Maybe we can replace them with some that aren't quite so fat and ugly.

 

[atrdriver]

Pilots, too.

You think the money alone keeps the bunch of us putting up with constant bullschit?

Some tools are still convinced that it's a fair wage, and they're flying a jet, so they'd do it for free.

But a significant amount are going to leave if the bennies get cut.

Maybe that's the INTENT of Skywest? (!)

I will DEFINITELY go back to my former career if things don't IMPROVE, and I'm sure it's a matter of time before attrition kicks in for the regionals, and labor becomes short supply, even in the cockpit.

I don't know how many pilots would leave aviation, but I know that many that have not applied to AT and JB because of the travel benefits will not hesitate to apply if they are cut, me included.