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Not sure how much it will help since it is only going to occur on the A and B Concourses. Maybe a total of 4 or 5 gates for the whole operation.

A better way to make up for lost time would be to keep crews and aircraft together throughout the day.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Man, took you guys long enough to post this. That bulletin has been out of OurASA for an just over an hour now.
 
How many FA's are going to get gigged for using the jetway phone on the 50? They make a big deal of not being able to leave the plane with pax onboard. They say in FAQ that they can use their judgement in an emergency to use the phone, but I guess for anything else like 51 pax on a 50 seat plane will have to wait until an egent walks on down the bridge.

PS how many times do we have to see our fearless leader in pics everytime there is an update on the company site? He probably got tired of no one knowing who the hell he was. Or maybe he has gone the way of Castro and they keep posting pics of him to dispel rumors that he is already out the door?
 
Wow, that sounds like a terrible idea. Have flight attendants been trained how to start the APU?

It would be a shame to be forced to deplane everyone when some maintenance item causes further delay.
 
DrewBlows said:
Wow, that sounds like a terrible idea. Have flight attendants been trained how to start the APU?

It would be a shame to be forced to deplane everyone when some maintenance item causes further delay.
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It's only at gates where there is a jetway (A and B Concourses) allowing for AC and ground power. Maybe a total of 4 or 5 gates for all of ATL.
 
GearUpLightsIn said:
PS how many times do we have to see our fearless leader in pics everytime there is an update on the company site?
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You really shouldn't use "leader" and BL in the same sentence. Anywho, it's PR for BL to use his picture. See, that way DAL can see he must be a real leader over ther at ASA Land.

Skippy did the same thing when he first took over. Can't tell you how many times I saw him out there posing for pics. The only ones who didn't care were G&J.
 
The first time a passenger gets sick/dies while there is no flightcrew aboard will be the last time we board without pilots.

If something does happen at the airplane while the Captain is not on board, is he still responsible as PIC?

It'll be interesting to see how the FOM change is worded on this...
 
Oh well, I was at the GO today taking care of some paper work and some of the leaks I heard there, were that we had a TA at the last meeting but JA called and told BL not to sign anything until he had the Skywest Alpa vote over. For this he would help kick in some for the retro pay. Also that by making the Sept lines look as bad as they do, it would help him sway the undecided because they knew we all would bit-h about them. Supposedly this is why all the hush, hush from the last meeting. Who knows…stranger thing have happened? Is this legal?
 
CFI2766 said:
The first time a passenger gets sick/dies while there is no flightcrew aboard will be the last time we board without pilots.

If something does happen at the airplane while the Captain is not on board, is he still responsible as PIC?

It'll be interesting to see how the FOM change is worded on this...
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The memo says the aircraft and passengers will be under GCS (is that right?) control while the pilots are not there. Basically the gate agent and rampers. A lot of other airlines do this, I think I've boarded Delta flights before where the pilots have left to get food on a turn.
 
TOOL CRIB said:
The memo says the aircraft and passengers will be under GCS (is that right?) control while the pilots are not there. Basically the gate agent and rampers. A lot of other airlines do this, I think I've boarded Delta flights before where the pilots have left to get food on a turn.
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Once I re-read, I see what you mean.

It doesn't give me a warm-fuzzy feeling to know that passengers will be under the control/supervision/protection of the folks who are responsible for the morass that is the Delta ramp.
 
Guys don't get to excited about boarding without the pilots on the acft. Delta has been doing this for a long time. I'm suprised it took this long to come up with this program. The problem I see is ASA getting a F/A to the acft before us.

A little birdy in the GO told me that the contract was done at the last meeting also and Big D was at the meeting. I didn't hear about JA being the reason it's being held up I was told it was Big D, we shall see?

701EV
 
701EV said:
A little birdy in the GO told me that the contract was done at the last meeting also and Big D was at the meeting. I didn't hear about JA being the reason it's being held up I was told it was Big D, we shall see?

701EV
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www.? What say you?

Hoser
 
Retards!

The way I see it, this is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard of!
We are supposed to trust that the "transient or reserve" FA has any clue what the hell is going on?
You know this is going to lead to trouble! Especially considering the fact that we only have one FA on the 50 and they will be unable to do anything if an emergency occurs!
This absolutely without a doubt will lead to issues! It is unsafe to board all those folks without any meaningful communications capabilities. I am not at all psyched about the idea of trusting some fool "transient or reserve" FA not to screw crap up for us all. If any mess happens, guess who gets violated?
 
Its about time !!

Guys, this is not a bad idea, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!! Delta and other "REAL" airlines have been doing this for quite some time. To be completely honest it makes complete sense operationaly. I have been parking at B29 and B31 quite a bit this month, and I have to tell you that the ground air and power off of the jetways over there works better than our APU on the 200 at least. This is a sign of growth and progression for our company. I know some of our senior capts, who have thier head up their but are saying "Well this is no good, because I have to give clearance to board!" Well really folks, the cockpit crew should have no say when the boarding process begins or ends, if they want to board let them board, they cant push until you say so!! Last but not least, we all need to remember that in the midst of negotiations, pilot hiring and everything else that we are in the business of customer service, and safely getting the customer from point a to b to make a profit. This could be a great thing for all , dont kill it yet !! Fly safe
 
Stifler's Mom said:
Is that Bryan? I've always been on the lookout for a guy with green hair, a red nose, lipstick and makeup on.
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Well that is his normal look at home or off duty. He puts on makeup for work to look more "normal", kinda like the Joker in the first Batman movie or Krusty the Clown from the Simpsons.
 
jmoney something else man, you only get violated, if you did something that caused the incident or accident to happen. If you arent there then you cant get in trouble. In order to hold you accountable they have to prove that you had a duty to act, and that you breached that duty!! You will be ok man. Be a captain dude, not a worry wart !!
 
HoserASA said:
www.? What say you?

Hoser
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Too many signs, my crystal balls are cloudy. Some things to think about...

1. ASA is so focus on cost savings and DAL is involved in this.
2. Is it just ASA or are other DCI airlines being squeezed at ATL for 40 min turns along with this new plan to board pax w/o pilots.
3. DAL takes over the ramp and gate ops in ATL. OK, but they also took all the ground equipment also. All this took place very quickly didn't?
4. DAL moves our aircraft in ATL. I think there were approx 28 a/c damaged by DAL, per SH. But SH says that we are responsible for the ontime perf without these a/c in the system.
5. Jetways are going back into C. All airlines will use C but SH says ASA still owns the gates.
6. Several months ago ASA MGMT had a meeting at GT in ATL and a portion of the meeting was to promote or sqash the rumour going around that ASA was going back to DAL. When was the last time MGMT anywhere took the time or energy to sqash a rumour that had no teeth? Most would laugh at it and joke about it but not this one.

There are many more but I think there was a pre BK deal done. DAL gave Skywest ASA for pennies just days before BK to save it from the creditors. The gates were worth more than the sale price.

Just what I'm seeing.
 
Jmoney said:
The way I see it, this is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard of!
We are supposed to trust that the "transient or reserve" FA has any clue what the hell is going on?
You know this is going to lead to trouble! Especially considering the fact that we only have one FA on the 50 and they will be unable to do anything if an emergency occurs!
This absolutely without a doubt will lead to issues! It is unsafe to board all those folks without any meaningful communications capabilities. I am not at all psyched about the idea of trusting some fool "transient or reserve" FA not to screw crap up for us all. If any mess happens, guess who gets violated?
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NOT YOU!

Who cares. If this is what ASA/DAL wants to do let them do it. It's not your aircraft. You fly airplanes, you don't manage an airline.
 
701EV said:
Guys don't get to excited about boarding without the pilots on the acft. Delta has been doing this for a long time. I'm suprised it took this long to come up with this program. The problem I see is ASA getting a F/A to the acft before us.

A little birdy in the GO told me that the contract was done at the last meeting also and Big D was at the meeting. I didn't hear about JA being the reason it's being held up I was told it was Big D, we shall see?

701EV
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Yes, but Delta has adequate GSE to heat/cool and power the aircraft. ASA FA'a won't have the stones to refuse to board even with 100+ OAT, and we all know ASA doesn't have adequate GSE. What you'll end up with is super hot planes with no power, being boarded by super-junior FA's.

Another ASA policy that will simply won't work.
 
BOARDING WITHOUT PILOTS!!!! Mother of God. What if a fire breaks out? The FA will have to ask the pilots if they should evacuate... without us there everyone will burn alive.

What if someone has a heart attack? The FA can't leave the plane and doesn't know how to use the radio... Clearly a death will ensue.

Are you all serious? I know we can b!tch about anything but this one takes the cake. I hate to inform you all that you really aren't that important.
 
ASABound said:
Guys, this is not a bad idea, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!! Delta and other "REAL" airlines have been doing this for quite some time. To be completely honest it makes complete sense operationaly. I have been parking at B29 and B31 quite a bit this month, and I have to tell you that the ground air and power off of the jetways over there works better than our APU on the 200 at least. This is a sign of growth and progression for our company. I know some of our senior capts, who have thier head up their but are saying "Well this is no good, because I have to give clearance to board!" Well really folks, the cockpit crew should have no say when the boarding process begins or ends, if they want to board let them board, they cant push until you say so!! Last but not least, we all need to remember that in the midst of negotiations, pilot hiring and everything else that we are in the business of customer service, and safely getting the customer from point a to b to make a profit. This could be a great thing for all , dont kill it yet !! Fly safe
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This is like the Captains who say "the gate owns the airplane until the door is closed"......wrong. You bet your a$$ they'll say you "own" the airplane if a passenger has a heat stroke.

Presumably this policy is meant to save time. As one other poster said, the better idea is to keep planes and crews together for the day. I've argued with flight control over this, they say it's "more efficient." BS....it's more efficient for someone sitting behind a computer screen, certainly not for flight crews.

When you are given a super-tight turn and an aircraft swap, what do you do....you say screw it and take your time, why not use a real toilet and grab a bite to eat, then make your way to your A/C. When you have absolutely NO way to make your turn anyway, crew QOL is more important than some hallucination of flight control, schedulers, and dispatchers in the GO.

I'd be curious to hear from some ASA F/A's about this.
 
Question: It's been a couple of years since I've flown anything with ASA written on the side. Can you fuel a boarded aircraft that does not have power to it?
 
Palerider957 said:
Question: It's been a couple of years since I've flown anything with ASA written on the side. Can you fuel a boarded aircraft that does not have power to it?
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You can't board an aircraft without power on it. You can fuel an aircraft with or w/o power. To fuel with passengers on board, there has to be the required F/A's, power on aircraft, and the main entrance door has to be open.

The big question: "How about them 'Emergency Exit Lights' that lead to the the emergency exits?" Who is going to arm those?
 
Palerider957 said:
Question: It's been a couple of years since I've flown anything with ASA written on the side. Can you fuel a boarded aircraft that does not have power to it?
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The airplane will have a GPU & an air cart running when this procedure is in effect.
 

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