New Airtran payrates

[uspilot]

They are lot better than Jetblue Rate's....Hope it stay's the same...

 

[samballs]

mang will give you those rates, you're ALPA now, they will give up all scope for those rates

 

[maxblast72]

mang will give you those rates, you're ALPA now, they will give up all scope for those rates

Considering 2/3 of our current fleet is made up of the 117 seat variety, I don't see many guys interested in relaxing our current scope limit of 70 seats and a limit of 10% of our total ASMs. The other good news is you can't make money with CRJ-200s hauling people to Florida for $79 so I don't see 50 seaters being a major issue. You may see a few 50 seaters on a revenue share deal for thinner MKE routes but I really don't see them doing routes like CAK-FLL, IND-RSW, or PIT-MCO.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Max- Was this in response to a company opener, or was it the first shot across the bow in the compensation negoiations?

 

[maxblast72]

I believe the company is still stuck on pilot CASM neutral. I believe our MEC and ALPA negotiating advisors now feel the have the pilot group behind them, have the NMB close to giving us a release, and are ready to start putting some serious pressure on company. A strike vote will probably send a few normally Airtran passengers in ATL over to the big D. I hope the company puts a serious proposal on the table at the March 15th-17th negotiating session. Next few months are probably going to get interesting.

I believe the MEC is now ready to fight and has fired the first shot across the bow.

 

[aceshigh]

Don't plan on those rates. Its called negotiating. Ask high, and settle for less. The question will be how much less. I think those rates are pretty favorable but don't expect them to be the final rates we see. However, I don't think that they should be much less then that, because I don't think much less will pass.

The day the union sent out the email with these rates, I ran into MKS, newly elected S/T for ATN ALPA. He was on his way to DCA from PBI for S/T training with ALPA National. During the brief conversation, he stated that those rates were Alaska + 3-5%, depending on seat and longevity. He also stated that Alaska +1% is the absolute rock bottom, we will go on strike pay rates that the union will bring to the pilot group in a TA. The truth of that remains to be seen, but I hope it is true and have no reason to not believe MKS.

My apologies to MKS if I misunderstood or have misconstrued his statements in any way.

aceshigh (being led to the picket line by AirTran's "passable" management)

 

[maxblast72]

He also stated that Alaska +1% is the absolute rock bottom, we will go on strike pay rates that the union will bring to the pilot group in a TA.

Don't oversimplify the situation to hourly rates only. Retirement contribution percentage, work rules, scheduling transparency, and scope plus pay rates are going to be big parts of the whole package. We don't need any Section 4 only guys this time around, we had plenty of them for the TA2 vote 3 years ago.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Sounds like this week is the fork in the road.

 

[aceshigh]

Don't oversimplify the situation to hourly rates only. Retirement contribution percentage, work rules, scheduling transparency, and scope plus pay rates are going to be big parts of the whole package. We don't need any Section 4 only guys this time around, we had plenty of them for the TA2 vote 3 years ago.

No oversimplification here. Simply passing along on information from the original conversation with MKS and adding to the thread topic, which was proposed pay rates. The conversation was very brief and dealt only and specifically with those pay rates. No other sections were discussed during this conversation. You need not worry about section 4 tunnel vision here.

 

[maxblast72]

Section 4 tunnel vision comment not pointed at you. You sound alot more informed than a good portion of our guys. The communication blitz coming over the next several weeks from the MEC should solve some of that.