Netjets will be fine. No strike will occur.

[NJAowner]

Some Dude -- I agree with you 100% on the safety issue. The point I was trying to make is that the number of posts dealing with rich people parting with their money far outnumbers the number of posts dealing with safety.


If you talk safety you may get the $$; if the basis of your arguments is parting with wealth you will not.

Thanks for flying us around safely!

 

[Some Dude]

Owner, what is frustrating to many pilots at NJA is that our level of service has gone down steadily. I used to be proud of the company and the level of service. Now I spend a lot of time explaining to owners why they didn't get the plane they requested and why the dvd, phone, lav, etc, doesn't work. The unique experience of NetJets has turned into a Walmart experience with a Harrods price tag.

 

[Publishers]

With size, it is hard to be personal and that for the most part is what any owner wants. It is hard to put down an $11.0m jet for a DVD that does not work. On the other hand, if the owner was not part of Netjets, you can be assured someone would fix the DVD or get a replacement.

As for the repo hours. It is the bane of existance for this type company. Scheduling is the biggest headache in the business. After all, the reason that you have an aircraft is that you want to leave when you want to leave,

If this is the hardest thing for a 121 carrier to do with a fixed schedule, impagine what it is like to do this in the Netjets environment.

As for safety, it is a perceived value and one that is assumed. If the owner did not look at it that way, would he put his family on it. Then again, would he not have safe pilots if he had his own? Of course he would.

The perceived value is as an arranger. It is supposed to make things simpler however after reading one of their contracts, it would take a law firm to understand parts of it.

This model is showing its age and the pilot issues just another aspect of that. How it is dealt with will determin e the future.

 

[Hogprint]

Hey all, do you remember talk of Netjets going regional? Planes based in the west tend to stay there, east tend to stay east.

I remember talk of a west coast casino to manage those birds. I have seen this implemented in principle (not the west coast casino, but keeping planes and crews regional), but nothing hard and fast, especially now.

Any thoughts?

 

[h25b]

As for the repo hours. It is the bane of existance for this type company. Scheduling is the biggest headache in the business. After all, the reason that you have an aircraft is that you want to leave when you want to leave,

If this is the hardest thing for a 121 carrier to do with a fixed schedule, impagine what it is like to do this in the Netjets environment.

Exactly my point. I wonder if there is a point at which the business model reaches critical mass on several fronts (i.e. scheduling, customer service, maint....) There is a point at which you can screw up a good thing by trying to become too big. I think this is where NetJets is. I've seen operations that reach a point of size where the cost of operations stop growing predictably and start growing exponentially.

What's going to start happening is that NetJets will start losing their bread and butter customers (i.e. the ones that could afford their own jet anyway). Sounds like that is already starting to happen.

 

[Fracster]

I dont think NJA has reached "critical mass".

Many of the onwers are displeased, why, becuase NJA changed. Did it have to change, no, not in the areas they are unhappy with.

The owners are not unhappy with the size of NJA or the pilot group. They are unhappy that their airplanes are dirty, owners services lies constantly and management does very little about it. None of this had to change. The owners have never really known about how unhappy the pilots have been and they probably don't care. We do our job and thats all that matters to them.

The planes could easily be cleaned on a regular basis and management could have easily kept an eye on owner services but they just dont care.

Current management only knows dollar signs not customer service.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Current management only knows dollar signs not customer service.

Ahhhh but in that statement lies the key!

Without an eye for customer service, the dollar signs are not sustainable long term.

People pay for customer service and product.

The pilots here used to be the custodians of customer service. We have gladly handed that job back to NJA management. Lead NJA management. We will follow... only so far as the FARs allow.

 

[rettofly]

Spelling...

growing exponentially (yes, I might have miss-spelled that one)...
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You got exponentially right but you mis-spelled mis-spelled.

 

[h25b]

growing exponentially (yes, I might have miss-spelled that one)...
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You got exponentially right but you mis-spelled mis-spelled.

THANKS!!! FIXED IT...

 

[dsptchrnja]

Is it just me, or has everyone else become bored with with these Netjets threads....

$hit or get off the pot....Netjetswife needs that new car.

good grief

That's for sure...

When you got the same 5 knuckleheads on here day-in, day-out, spewing out garbage and dominating every post with distorted and fallacious reasoning... it get's un-interesting fast.

Just ignore them... they won't go away... just ignore them

 

[El Chupacabra]

Thats what I was thinking about Bridgeway Bob.


But I think you have a good strategy. If you come here and stir up a hornet's nest you will get stung.

 

[CMHTroll]

Steward Sleeze

I understand that your Union Propaganda Minister is Steward Steve. I didn't know that you had fiction writers as Stewards. At least you can document what BWYBOB has said as verifiable!

 

[El Chupacabra]

Troll Troll Troll,

This is all none of your business.

What we negotiate for OUR contract is our business. You weren't here for the wallbangers hole in the wall? You are a newby.

Keep stirring the Hornet's nest.

You are achieving nothing but increasing the pilot force's determination. NBAA wages or bust.

Thanks for helping to motivate us to achieve our goals. Every little bit helps.

Do you realize that if you and a few other people quit inciting us... half the posts on this board that offend you would not even be here. Your efforts are counter-productive to your cause.

The longer management stalls the higher my price goes up.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

Trying to do too much with to little assets; there needs to be at least 12 pilots per machine, the manning should utilize the 1/3rd rule, 1/3rd in rest, 1/3rd in transit, 1/3rd on duty. You have got to make this operation a 24 hour a day op. Reposition a bird in the wee hours when the other crew is in rest. Additionally; get more machines-swallow your pride and get what ever machines on property you can get.

 

[El Chupacabra]

I know what you are getting at but you are not saying it very clearly.

I came up with 7 pilots per machine.

Reason.... Demand is not heavy at night. You do not need 100% available. Also a certain % of them are in maintenance. They do not need to be manned.

Recalculate and you will come closer to what I got.