NetJets whispers

[Starman]

Scope:


1.3 All flying performed by the Company or by the Company's parent corporation, or by a subsidiary or affiliate, which is directly or indirectly controlled by the Company, or by the Company's parent corporation, or any successor in interest, or flying performed on behalf of the Company or the Company's parent corporation as a result of any agreement to which the Company or the Company's parent corporation is a party or becomes a party, or flying utilizing the NetJets logo, shall be performed by pilots named on the Executive Jet Seniority List, except as set forth in 1.4 below.

1.4 Exception to the Scope of this Agreement:

a) The Gulfstream aircraft operated and to be operated by Executive Jet International, Inc.

b) Programs based and primarily operated outside the United States such as NetJets Europe or similar programs being contemplated in the Middle East, Far East and South America, whether or not such aircraft are owned by the Company, provided that the purpose thereof is not to deprive the Union of jobs. If financially or legally feasible, a Canadian NetJets program would be excluded from this section.

c) Any NetJets owner who is approved to operate Executive Jet aircraft as P.I.C. or S.I.C.

d) American Air Services, Inc. (Executive Jet Management, EJM and any other Air Taxi Commercial Operator ATCO) whose purpose is to alleviate "overflow" situations only:

1) The intent is NOT to reduce jobs, or slow expansion, but to assist the Company in extremely busy situations.

2) Executive Jet Management will conduct all fractional ownership sell-offs as charters under Federal Air Regulations Part 135.

3) Executive Jet Management will not operate "QS" tail numbers except as directed in mutually agreeable side letters of agreement, or when the aircraft is to be returned to the Company within six months or when the aircraft is actively offered for sale in the open market.

4) Executive Jet Management and Executive Jet Aviation flight crews will wear different uniforms.

5) Except as otherwise set forth in this Section, Executive Jet Management flight crews will not operate Executive Jet Aviation fractional ownership aircraft except in "emergency" situations in which case the aircraft will be returned within twenty-four (24) hours, and Executive Jet Aviation will notify the Business Agent within forty-eight (48) hours.

6) At no time will Executive Jet Aviation and Executive Jet Management crews ever be "mixed."

7) The Company agrees that neither the Company nor its affiliates, in the aggregate, will own or lease any aircraft operated by EJM or other A.T.C.O. operators except a) not more than ten (10) aircraft (none of which shall be owned by NetJets fractional owners) and b) aircraft such as the Citation S/II which are being phased out of the Company's operation, are not offered for sale in the NetJets program, are not being used to back up the NetJets program except on a diminimus basis and are actively offered for sale in the open market.

 

[gunfyter]

Why would the company offer "just interviews" when they can set up a non-union alter-ego carrier and play us against each other? Search this site for the Freedom/Mesa saga. I am not trying to stir the pot. I am just trying to get people thinking, here. You don't think RTS is capable of such a thing?

Why would RTS do that... The union carrier already is far and away the cheapest labor force in the industry. If he interviews in the pilots he gets them in at the bottom $ price. Thats what he did with the EJM pilots we took almost 2 yrs ago... after he furloughed them from EJM. Huge paycuts for those boys.

Anyway, it was just reported that Management was asked this directly and the answer is this aint happening.

 

[dime line]

Anyway, it was just reported that Management was asked this directly and the answer is this aint happening.

What aint happening?

 

[Live4flyng]

Depends on what your definition of "this" is. Anyway, management lies and that is why most airlines have unions. It's going to happen, that is why you see 800XPs and 400Xps all over the country painted pure white. Like I said a long time ago, NJA takes those airplane while F/O sells the old stuff and away we go. It's just business, that's all. Why else would Raytheon give NJA a better deal on 400XPs than it would to F/Os? Not to mention the maintenance contracts. Welcome to aviation, better have a union to protect yourself from guys like Publishers.

 

[Frac Daddy]

?

Why else would Raytheon give NJA a better deal on 400XPs than it would to F/Os?

Please give me the detailed comparison between the deal that NJA got vs. FLOPS on the 400s.

 

[Daveman]

Please give me the detailed comparison between the deal that NJA got vs. FLOPS on the 400s.

This is a stick-up!
Next to Hugh Jorgan, you've got the best avitar. Dammm Sleestak,
still scare the sh!t out of me.

Now back to your regular thread.

 

[Starman]

Please give me the detailed comparison between the deal that NJA got vs. FLOPS on the 400s.

Wassa matta Frac Daddy? Worried 'bout your position? Can you say "Checklist Complete"?

 

[waka]

Depends on what your definition of "this" is. Anyway, management lies and that is why most airlines have unions. It's going to happen, that is why you see 800XPs and 400Xps all over the country painted pure white. Like I said a long time ago, NJA takes those airplane while F/O sells the old stuff and away we go. It's just business, that's all. Why else would Raytheon give NJA a better deal on 400XPs than it would to F/Os? Not to mention the maintenance contracts. Welcome to aviation, better have a union to protect yourself from guys like Publishers.

You folks crack me up. The "pure white" is only because of the FAA. There were problems with 3M decals being used as stripes. This has nothing to do with these empty rumors. Not to mention that there are very old straight 800's and Citation III's that are white after going through the paint shop. Is NJA interested in our 800's and C3's? BA HA HA HA HEE HEE HEE HOH HOH YUK YUK!

If you think that then Janet Reno is training gay communist aliens to fly black helicopters for the UN and the recent hurricanes are Clinton's fault.

 

[gunfyter]

If you think that then Janet Reno is training gay communist aliens to fly black helicopters for the UN and the recent hurricanes are Clinton's fault.

Now thats the first true thing I have seen in this thread.

What is the name of the actor who played Janet Reno in Mel Gibson's movie the Patriot? You know the one who burned down the church with live people inside.

 

[netjetwife]

Spell it out loud 1, 2, 3,.......S T R I K E ....Its criminal what Santuli and Buffet have done to you guys and gals. Absolute crap!

Take a frickin stand and start putting adds out about the crap pay and work rules! Time to educate the customer who has been paying for your propsed raise for 2 plus years.

Nice job Sangooli and Buffet...paying people to fly left seat for 39k is BS!!!!

Excellent post! I'd just make a slight modification. Let's give SU--the soon to be official, new MEC--a well-deserved vote of confidence by giving them a chance to fight for the pilots before calling for a strike. I firmly believe that they will not hesitate to recommend a strike if that is determined to be in the best interest of the pilot group.

 

[Dep676]

Union or no union. If the company wants to sell/merg what ever you want to call it. What can the union do? NOT A **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** THING. Just ask all the ex TWA guys and Gals.

 

[Frac Daddy]

Wassa matta Frac Daddy? Worried 'bout your position? Can you say "Checklist Complete"?

Sounds to me that YOU are tired of saying "Checklist complete." I understand. I am just glad that the vast majority of NJA pilots I talk to are far more level-headed than you.

Anyway, what does your response have to do with my post. I just wanted somebody to substantiate a claim. How much better of a deal did NJA get on the 400s vs. FLOPS? Numbers?

 

[Frac Daddy]

Union or no union. If the company wants to sell/merg what ever you want to call it. What can the union do? NOT A **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** THING. Just ask all the ex TWA guys and Gals.

Actually, if they have an iron-clad scope clause they could do quite a bit. We'll see. Maybe.

 

[netjetwife]

In rating the issues, some have even put scope above pay--1st and 2nd, respectively--in priority.
They'll tell you, "Without scope there is no hope."

 

[Dep676]

Well we will see. It will be fours years in the making before anything is resolved over there.

 

[netjetwife]

Those last 3 years were nothing but a waste of time and money! Speaking of three...there are 3 days til the MEC election ballots are counted. To the five losers--DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT! We'll all start to see progress immediately when SU steps in the ring. Valentine's Day is going to be very sweet this year--lots of cards on the table, and a REAL negotiating team standing up for the pilots!

 

[Dep676]

All have to say is GOOD LUCK. I am not saying that because I expect something after NJ gets their contract. I know we will never see anything because one company gives their pilots something. I am updating my resume starting this week and hope to start out the new year in a much better place than I am now.

 

[netjetwife]

Dep676, thanks for the support! Although we are looking ahead to the new year with optimism, words of encouragement are always welcome. I wouldn't be so sure that a NJ victory will NOT make a difference in the fractional industry. It will be hard for the other companies to compete if they don't match NJ wages, and even harder to justify not doing so.

To all of you contemplating a career change and/or looking for an improvement----
http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=110440190&m=1932&rr=y&source=bma999

A RISING TIDE SHOULD LIFT ALL BOATS!

PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS! PAY THEM AS SUCH!

 

[jetwash]

What ever happens the pilots will surely lose. We will either be giving up pay so the bosses can get big merger bonuses or we will help subsidize the owner sitting in the back. After all we surely can't ask them to pay anymore for riding in the airplane, with the price of homes in Aspen going up all the time.

 

[Rook]

Just had a couple of questions.

Being an airline guy I've always had the chance to talk to a couple of QS guys around the terminals. Seems like they were pretty satisfied with life at NJ. Some even gave me their card and said if the regional gig got old to come on over to NJ. Here are my questions.

What are you guys upset about when it comes to schedules? Is the week on week off the biggest issue? With the great equipment that NJ has, how are aircraft selections determined? Last question, what's typical upgrade time like over there? Hope you guys get what you want.

Rook