NETJETS wants you, even if you can't fly!

[BrnJetFuel]

Indications are that NETJETS recruiting is in a panic and is getting desperate to find people that want to work here. Once again they are probably going to have to dig to the bottom of the barrel and hire a substantial number of substandard types who are willing to work for bottom of the barrel-below industry average wages.

For the first time in NETJETS illustrious history of hiring only the cream of the crop, (ha) NETJETS has had to resort to hiring pilots on the spot at the latest job fairs after a short interview and absolutely NO SIM EVALUATION. The message, we like that you have a pulse and are willing to work for welfare wages and NO we could care less how you fly. I can't wait to work with some of these goombahs. Every time you come back from the lav you'll be wondering if you still have a ticket or not.

Raytheon and Cessna are all snubbing their noses at NETJETS, the old toothless 800 lb Gorilla that used to think they could sway the manufacturers to bide it's will, well they are learning not anymore. This place is a financial train wreck and the company can't hire fast enough to replace the vacuum left by those running from this wreck. Us pilots are being told that if we have a friend we want to get hired on here, submit their names and they will get an immediate interview. I'm too loyal to my friends to even think of doing that to them. Remember, friends don't let friends destroy their careers with NUTJETS! WB vowed to supply the money needed to grow this place so that it dominates the globe, regardless of profits for the first 10 years. I guess that meant to throw money at Million dollar Managers and executives but keep the pilots so broke that you can squeeze the work of two pilots out of just one. Keep us so poor we can't afford to pay attention, let alone contemplate affording a move to another airline.

 

[Snakeplt]

BrnJetFuel....

What more can be said ? So true. So true.

DO NOT WORK AT NUTJETS !!! IT IS A MISERABLE PLACE FULL OF MIS-MANAGEMENT AND LYING MANAGEMENT PUKES !!! DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE AT THE INTERVIEW...ESPECIALLY ANYTHING THEY SAY ABOUT THE FOLLOWING THINGS:
-Pay
-Contract
-Schedules
-Upgrade time
-Anything they say GOOD about the company

Other than that, you can believe the rest !!!

 

[niteflyr]

So where is everyone running to? Pleeeeaaassseee take snakeplt with you!

 

[Lrjet55]

Hey Griz,


Cut him some slack. Someone has to keep kissing the company and the union's a$$. If we lose niteflyr then the company and union will expect us to do it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I can't wait to work with some of these goombahs. Every time you come back from the lav you'll be wondering if you still have a ticket or not.

The only flaw in your post. The guys that are coming on line don't have the knowledge you do about your company. Thier intentions and hopes are the same as yours when you came on line. Take them in and mold them into the pilots you need them to be....

Show them, that despite the crappy conditions at NJ, there are cool guys to fly with and you can still have fun...

Take what you precieve to be a liability and turn it an asset....

 

[niteflyr]

nevermind, lets just all hope for miracles this week at the table...

Sorry about the take snakeplt with you quip, was meant as a cheap joke...

 

[boxhauler]

Thread remains the same. You guys that are interviewing for NetJets, just remember. You'll hire on at 27K and STAY at the low FO pay for at least 3 years. BUT, you say there is a new contract coming. Yeah right, it is probably a pretty sure bet it will be turned down. How long do you want to sit around and wait on 27K. If you have an interview, take it. If they offer you a job THINK. The RCA/Gateway issue is the bait they are using for you to sign up. Also THINK about the 2 year training contract when you find out you can't live on 27K and want to go somewhere else. If you're hungry, and out of work, I guess I can't blame you, but the key word here is THINK.

 

[pilot_guy]

I need a job...where do I sign up? actually, I don't even have a multi

 

[allmixedup]

Hey,

Anyone know how long it should take to hear back from Recruiting? Anyone also know how they look at the little FAA stuff, like a letter of warning?

Thanks!

 

[captboy2001]

im glad they are in a panic....i had an interview with them in late 2001... i was the youngest one in the group of about 50......did the sim eval in sabre 60.....had 4-5....5 being the best....week later got the rejection letter....should have gotten the job...but glad i didn;t dont want to be in that mess right now....im just fine waiting on a better opp then netjets.

 

[mobie]

What is the training pay back with NetJets. Do they come after it? With the low pay it would seem someone would sign on and then start looking for a good part 91 job.
Mobie

 

[mooser]

Hey guys, I am a current airline poolie looking at different options...What are the mins to get in with net jets...current upgrade time etc...

Thanks...Looking for the good and bad

Mooser

 

[v1rot8]

A whole 21 pilots have left this year. Big whoppin' vacuum from that. Less than 2.5% attrition rate. I'd bet any company would love to have that. Oh, yeah, a good number of those goombah's you'll be flying with soon were flying 74's and triple 7's 6 months ago.

 

[sweptwingz]

Griz, I'll start my 8th year with Netjets this October, and STILL don't match my former salary flying a King Air! Sigh..........

 

[boxhauler]

Competitive mins around 4000+ Upgrade in 3-4 yrs.

 

[m80drvr]

I'm just starting my 3rd year and dont expect to upgrade for at LEAST another year probably 2


DON'T go to netjets, this job will make you hate aviation. That's not a joke, it's the painful truth. Most pilots here HATE going to work.

Please save the flames telling me to leave and go elsewhere, I have bills and a mortgage to pay( actually I use significant savings each month for the mortgage, I'll soon be out of money in the bank, thanks Nutjets) but I am actively looking. Even If I have to get out of aviation.

 

[I.P. Freley]

One of my now former coworkers just put in his notice to go to NetJets. I talked to him the night of his interview (last week), and he had a very rosy idea of what it was like over there...

Is there anyone reading this that can back up his positive outlook for NJ? All I read here is the negative stuff.

Unfortunately, he seems to think he'll be upgrading in under a year and likely getting a $20,000 retro check/signing bonus/whatever it's called after the new contract is signed...

I hate to open this can o' worms, but any comments on any of the above?

 

[I.P. Freley]

Well, glue-sniffin' or not, he seems to think that you want to get in the door now so you get the retro check later. Any current employee will get the check (whenever the checks are cut) is the insinuation...

 

[Flex]

Hey, IP Freley... PM me and I'll talk to your friend personally on the phone and explain to him the real deal.

 

[FatesPawn]

Well, glue-sniffin' or not, he seems to think that you want to get in the door now so you get the retro check later. Any current employee will get the check (whenever the checks are cut) is the insinuation...

He's obviously not very experienced with unions and perhaps a bit naive. As a 2nd year F/O, I do not expect a retro-check/signing-bonus equal to a 5 year Captain.

If he thinks he'll get something equal to everyone else for simply being on the property he's unfortunately mistaken. Too bad he's throwing away 2 years of his life to discover that.

Fate

 

[I.P. Freley]

Well, I reckon it's too late for him to go back on the decision, he's already tendered his notice here and it's either NetJets or bust.

 

[Live4flyng]

Some people learn the hard way

Well, I reckon it's too late for him to go back on the decision, he's already tendered his notice here and it's either NetJets or bust.

May just be Netjets then bust. Hope he enjoys making $27K for the next 4-5 years flying a Beechjet as a First Officer with no hope of upgrading for a long long time. What was his schedule and pay flying with your company?

 

[Lrjet55]

Why cant people just get it!


You are better off where you are than coming to NutJets.

This place will make you absolutely, positively hate aviation.

We all got into flying for the love of it. Don't ruin it for yourself.

Ask around, you wont find much leeway on the answer.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>What was his schedule and pay flying with your company?<<<

Well... Unless NJ has a habit of making 10 day-off months, ridiculous jr. manning and extensions the norm, the schedule will be an improvement.

The pay? Assuming FO pay, it'll be at least a thousand dollar/mo pay cut.

 

[Flex]

Well, I reckon it's too late for him to go back on the decision, he's already tendered his notice here and it's either NetJets or bust.

That's too bad. I wish he had researched it a bit more. It's too bad for us that now we have another undeducated pilot who is able to vote. Each time a new hire is added, I feel like we are losing a potential NO vote and gaining a certain YES vote.

For those of you still considering NJA... Please do not listen to the hype of fast upgrades and retro checks. There is no fast upgrade. You will be on FO pay for several years. Not only that, but you will not hold the 7 and 7. You will be working the 17 day schedule. It takes two years to hold the 7 and 7 right now as an FO on the smaller fleets, and forget about larger planes. I am not BSing anyone, if you have issues with my post, or questions, please PM me and we can talk via land-line.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Another thing I forgot to mention was he said that the "home basing" thing may go away in the new contract, but any current employee will get to keep it cuz of some grandfather clause. That was another reason to get in now and not later.

Apparently he knows a pilot there who has been giving him the "real deal", which is obviously a person with a viewpoint different from Flex, Lrjet55, Live4flying, FatesPawn (and so on and so on and so on and so on....)

 

[Lrjet55]

I.P. Freley,

If you look through the archives here I have given several very honest opinions on NutJets.

I have listed the good and the bad without opinion. To this day I have many friends who will call and ask me about this company and I lay it out for them. I try to give them the most realistic view of life as a NJA pilot free from opinion. After I have completed my little story I give them my opinion based on where they are now and where they want to be.

We all get a little carried away on the BBS here but if you were in our shoes you probably would as well.

However, if you want the truth presented accurately and fairly then call me. I have several friends who are here now, have recently interviewed and are hoping for an interview.

 

[English]

Well, I reckon it's too late for him to go back on the decision, he's already tendered his notice here and it's either NetJets or bust.

I.P.,

I'm not uncommon for pilots to turn in their letter of resignation at a regional, only to go wimpering back into the chief pilot's office with their tail between their legs, asking for their job back. This seems like one of those occasions your friend might want to consider.

 

[I.P. Freley]

I talked to him at length about it yesterday, and he is firmly convinced he's doing the right thing. I didn't try to talk him out of it, I was just presenting my concerns that there are a LOT of people out there that seem to have a very negative attitude about NJ.

Then again, there are a lot of people that have a very negative attitude about his former (my current) employer, so even if it is as bad as they say, it might STILL be an improvement.

Lrjet55, I appreciate the offer, but I think his mind is made up, and really, it's not up to me to convince him otherwise. Besides, he was senior to me, so I just moved up another notch ROFL!!

 

[Lrjet55]

Anytime, best of luck to him.