Netjets - The final stop?

[kman]

I have nothing against alaska or the bases u have, but how big is ur pilot group? 1500? It really doesn't compare. From what I heard, 20 years at most of the legacys are pretty senior and have pretty nice schedules. All I'm saying is nja is not for everybody and at least for me I could be much happier doing a 15 day trip line with 20 years left flying than to be gone for 15 days a month on the 7n7.People. Good luck to all the guys who choose either way.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

inferiority complexes "brag" the most instead of enjoying alleged "riches" lol

I have nothing against alaska or the bases u have, but how big is ur pilot group? 1500? It really doesn't compare. From what I heard, 20 years at most of the legacys are pretty senior and have pretty nice schedules. All I'm saying is nja is not for everybody and at least for me I could be much happier doing a 15 day trip line with 20 years left flying than to be gone for 15 days a month on the 7n7.People. Good luck to all the guys who choose either way.

There's no reasoning with itty bitty baby egos...they NEED to prove their inner demons and outside considered views wrong. Guess I got off track on another topic's thread, should have posted this here where it is more applicable:

NJA would be the last place I would ever go...the point is to move up, not laterally between fractionals which fluctuate year to year between who is the top paid, and who is not...everything cycles. Anyone leaving the fracs needs to have a LONG TERM plan with regard to career advancement, and flying little planes and being gone for an entire week at a time, is NOT something people want to do when they reach 50 (unless they have the entire rest of the MONTH off). I don't sacrifice the long term for short-term, short sighted, lateral "goals."
Ever wonder why the NJA guys STILL have to be on the boards 24/7 to convince everyone how "great" they have it, and how much better they think their job is than anywhere else? For starters:
- The IBB is NOT as great as they are trying to convince people, or it would not be necessary for every single one of them to insert "overtime" into the equation in discussions about what they made (which, in itself is the most tacky ill-bred trait one can imagine)
- Deep down, while they are PROJECTING about guys who they feel only have "egos that need the big jets," it is like a billboard to the world how envious THEY really are, because if they weren't it wouldn't occur to them to CARE what others want to do.
- The trophy major guys they managed to get there for whatever reason, are the very limited EXCEPTION, not the rule, so there goes that... why ARE they such a trophy for NJA anyways? Because it helps massage THEIR egos that someone left a better long term career to go to theirs.
I would venture to guess that there are more people at NJA (referencing those with higher flight time) that have blemishes on their records and/or lack of a degree that have affected their ABILITY to go to the "MAJORS." From what is left you can then factor in those with ex-wives and / or excess children that can NOT make the brief initial sacrifices required in starting with the majors.
You can all toot your own horns all you want, but you're only impressing those with much lower time who aren't really fully in the know...or those similarly limited in their ability to advance. It is a decent job compared to your category, but like baseball, you can gloat all you want about your minor league status, but deep down you'll always wonder "what if" you got to the majors, especially now that they are hiring again. I might think about a fractional again if a major laid me off...but that would only be a last resort if there were no real corp gigs around (people that can afford whole planes and their own ops/management teams)...but I would still have that golden seniority number as opposed to a dead end frac job that's so-so until the contract expires and the next big jet pass idea comes up and wipes out the current idea of frac ownership.
Just the facts, now let your little egos flame away about how great you'll have it "forever and ever", lol.:beer: The ONLY ones you can claim a "one up" on for the MOMENT is FLOPS so you go at it all you can (even though you guys were the real brunt of jokes not long ago)..and that is only because NJA pilots have been on a MISSION to MAKE it that way and make the widespread opinion of FLOPS what it now is. The only reason these mgt scumbags continue to take and take is due to YOUR incessant antagonizing and the little boy fights between them and your mouthpieces at IBT. You CREATED the problems at FLOPS, then proceeded to ruin the whole company's rep...your "brothers'" included.

:bomb:

 

[blueskies8]

VOR,

I have read some of your other posts and I'm not sure why I am responding to you other than I felt compelled to share some information as I am not a NJA pilot.

I know many guys that had major 121 careers and are now at NetJets and feel that the NJA in many ways is a better company than UAL, AA etc. I have to agree with them from where I stand but thats not to say that I think all major 121 carriers are bad companies, there not.

I respect a company that airlines you from your home (so you don't have to live in a major metro area), pays 100% medical, feeds you three times a day, pays competitive wages and still gives you a minimum of 12 days off per month. On the other hand of the major 121 retirees that I know including my father several have had the pension carpet pulled out from underneath them and basically forced to work beyond 60. I know a couple of guys at UAL right now who would never give up their seniority but wish they had gone to NJA years ago. Timing is everything and everyone has their preference.

Either way, anywhere a pilot can look forward to going to work, feel job security, have a schedule, enjoy time with their family while providing for them and on top of that fly an airplane is in my opinion a "major" in this industry. NetJets is the "majors" for many and a place that I would like to hang my hat.

Regards

 

[Voice Of Reason]

VOR,

I have read some of your other posts and I'm not sure why I am responding to you other than I felt compelled to share some information as I am not a NJA pilot.

I know many guys that had major 121 careers and are now at NetJets and feel that the NJA in many ways is a better company than UAL, AA etc. I have to agree with them from where I stand but thats not to say that I think all major 121 carriers are bad companies, there not.

I respect a company that airlines you from your home (so you don't have to live in a major metro area), pays 100% medical, feeds you three times a day, pays competitive wages and still gives you a minimum of 12 days off per month. On the other hand of the major 121 retirees that I know including my father several have had the pension carpet pulled out from underneath them and basically forced to work beyond 60. I know a couple of guys at UAL right now who would never give up their seniority but wish they had gone to NJA years ago. Timing is everything and everyone has their preference.

Either way, anywhere a pilot can look forward to going to work, feel job security, have a schedule, enjoy time with their family while providing for them and on top of that fly an airplane is in my opinion a "major" in this industry. NetJets is the "majors" for many and a place that I would like to hang my hat.

Regards

...and YOUR type is worthy of respect...and I indeed respect the decision that is suitable for your individual circumstances. My post in in response to the wanna be alpha dogs who rabidly shoot down any choices OTHER than NJA, and have to gloat about their perceived "riches" like those who have the double-wides in the trailer park. THOSE types are the trash I am referring to, and not worthy of ANY respect. The outward expressions which stem from their inner demons are what cause the increasingly negative impression of ALL frac pilots in the profession, especially NJA's. Unfortunately, their type is the mouthy minority and setting the tone.
As far as "many" giving up 121 carers, don't believe the hype they are posting here. I believe that once you subtract out any major retirees from the equation, and the circumstances discussed in the other post, that would not leave "many."

 

[realityman]

Actually VOR, you are flat out wrong. As an IOE captain at NJA, we do have "many" who are giving up careers at the majors to be with us. Quite a few are actively leaving JetBlue to come to us.
True, we aren't seeing any migration whatsoever from Southwest over to NJA, but then again, SWA is a great place to work and I wouldn't expect to see that happening. Same with FedEx and UPS.
However, we have a great many pilots who were furloughed from the majors (yes, all the big boys: UAL, AA, DAL, CAL, etc...) who are being given the chance to come back and who are turning it down. So yes, plenty of 121 guys who, while they didn't leave of their own volition, are nevertheless choosing a career with NJA over the majors. So yes, 'many' are giving up careers at the majors to fly with us. How many is 'many'? Taking a SWAG, I'd say in the hundreds anyway. Possibly many hundreds. I can't remember the last time I did IOE with a person coming from a corporate background. Plenty from the regionals (probably the majority), but lots and lots who aren't taking the recall, or who have actually left the majors on their own to fly for us.

Sorry to burst your "fractionals are filled with losers and rejects from the aviation world" bubble. By the way, I could tell you a few stories of folks who couldn't cut it here and now work for the majors.

Personally, I don't care where anyone chooses to hang their career hat. As long as you're happy with what you're doing, then you're doing well. As I've mentioned previously, I don't know if you even work for a fractional, but if you do, you sound absolutely miserable, doing it. I truly hope you find a place that you enjoy working at, whether it's frac or 121, pax or cargo, union or non-union. Pick what floats your boat and enjoy!

As for the folks who are always boasting about this and that at NJA, well, they're happy and are proud of what they have. True, it does get a bit old listening to them always saying that Netjets is the ONLY good place to work, but hey, maybe that's a good thing that we've reached a point where they can think like that. It wasn't all that long ago that most everyone sounded like the FLOPS guys do now.

As I've also mentioned previously, it's also impossible to please everyone. You say others have an increasingly negative opinion about NJA pilots. Sigh. Too bad. People hated us before because we were the pimps and whores of aviation, dragging the bar down for the whole industry. Now it looks like they hate us because we're successful, and actually have something to brag about. Guess we need to just focus on making ourselves happy and not worry about anyone else.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Sorry to burst your "fractionals are filled with losers and rejects from the aviation world" bubble. By the way, I could tell you a few stories of folks who couldn't cut it here and now work for the majors.

Personally, I don't care where anyone chooses to hang their career hat. As long as you're happy with what you're doing, then you're doing well.

Never said the "fractionals" are...just the rabidly outspoken NetJets guys on here that need to go ape-$&*t anytime any utters a will to do anything OTHER than go there. Obviously they NEED people to think like they do, because they can't go anywhere elsem so no one else should. AGAIN, this is just the vehement nutballs I just described.

If you don't care where others hang their hats, then you must not be one of them...

 

[Voice Of Reason]

omg a sane, intelligent NICE guy?

Don't give Voice of Reason too hard a time. We all want to believe that the choices we made are the correct choices. Most of us would argue the choices we made until we were blue in the face in the hopes of convincing our peers that we did the right thing.

At the end of the day though there are hundred possible choices with a thousand possible results. We make the choices we make based on the information we have at the time. Whether anyone else agrees with what we did is irrelevant.

As long as we are able to support our families, buy a toy or two, and squirrel enough money away to retire sometime in our 60s or before, the gamble worked out.

But make no mistake it's all a gamble. Whether you work for NetJets or Delta, or FedEx, etc... It's all a gamble. Hopefully the gamble pays off. If it doesn't, we play again...and again... until the casino kicks us out for drunk and disorderly conduct.

Well spoken, and exactly what I believe (minus all the calling out those who lack that very objectivity stuff).