NetJets TA Passed

[Nightmare67]

Word from a friend on the inside is,

passed by 84%

only 308 no votes.

 

[Hawkered]

Congratulations to all. Now...to the people who don't like it here and have done nothin' but complain...kindly LEAVE!!!

The rest of us would all like to get back to work.

 

[pmcustom]

2 down, 1 to go. Time for the mechanics!

 

[Semore Butts]

Well, I like it here

I like it here, I voted no, and I ain't leavin.

I think SU did great, I think we could have done better.

We will never know. Just be proud that what we have accomplished is rippling across the fractional industry.

WhenI'm in the terminal and I see a soldier in desert cammo, I walk up and say "thank you for what you are doing for our country".

Well next time you see a Netjet Pilot, how about sayin "howdy". (I have heard alot of this going on already) We are all doing the same "Dew".

Netjets Pilots, take a bow, you deserve it...

Gotta go pack, hitting the road tomorrow. Thanks again SU

 

[hawkercpt]

Congrats to all of the Netjet pilots. CS pilots are doing well from it as well as an expected announcement from Flex.


and still from CGF....


crickets.

 

[Baby Cakes]

Is this NetJets payscale for real? http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/109/15/

 

[On Your Six]

Is this NetJets payscale for real? http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/109/15/

They certainly look real - and they look pretty good in light of the crapppy airline pay environment... That's a great chart.

 

[cosmotheassman]

I guess all the 500 hour zero to hero "I wanna fly an RJ" regional pukes will all the sudden want to work for NJ now..

 

[FLYLOW22]

Is this NetJets payscale for real? http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/109/15/

Right out of the new contract. Started paying that rate today.

 

[flyinlow67]

Nice pay chart. Congrats guys and gals. Hopefully the other fracs will take notice and start paying you what your worth.

 

[nerdpilot]

I guess all the 500 hour zero to hero "I wanna fly an RJ" regional pukes will all the sudden want to work for NJ now..

I guess for the top half at net jets that paid for there jobs are finally getting their monies worth

 

[FLYLOW22]

I guess for the top half at net jets that paid for there jobs are finally getting their monies worth

Well, I'm looking here on the paychart and it shows a relatively junior Ultra Captain making $90,000 after 5 years on the 7 and 7 sced ($115,000 on the Reserve).

Add to that an estimated $8-10,000 per year ($12K-15K for Reserve) in additional overtime that a pilot wouldn't be able to avoid simply by going to work...

If that's NOT getting their monies worth, I guess we got screwed. Me... I'm thinking it's a good start. We'll grab more next time.

As for the PFT thing. That is old news which was repaid in 1998.

 

[Cavpilot]

I guess for the top half at net jets that paid for there jobs are finally getting their monies worth

Nerd,
"It is better to keep ones' mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Ben Franklin

As someone who is in the top half of the NetJets seniority list, I can assure you that you are totally wrong. In fact, I would estimate that less than 15% of the people here did the PFT thing. It ended in 1997 with the ratification of the last contract. At the time I believe there were less than 400 pilots, we now have close to 2300.

 

[nerdpilot]

I just was wondering what it is like to pay for ones job and then have to pay for my new contract with some half ass union who have been collecting dues and doing nothing for years and then have a real group of pilots who were paid to take a job and got a better deal without paying for their contract

 

[JustInfo]

huh????????????????

 

[Cavpilot]

Must I quote Ben Franklin, again?

 

[Capt. JD]

NetJets TA

NetJets TA: the link to the website... I want to read it.

 

[Hogan]

can anyone give some insight to the commuting to work thing? I'm in seattle and looking at NJ for a career move.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

can anyone give some insight to the commuting to work thing? I'm in seattle and looking at NJ for a career move.

then you will be commuting to LA, Columbus, Dallas, West Palm, or TEB. Thats a long drive since we dont have any type of jump seat agreement with any one.

 

[Hogan]

I thought the company plays for you to airline to the point of departure? My intel comes from some NJ dude I met at Boeing field. there were a bunch of the NJ airplanes there and he told me they launched out of there all the time so I wouldn't have to commute... wow, that must be awful for the guys that live in the Seattle area!!

 

[RNObased]

I thought the company plays for you to airline to the point of departure? My intel comes from some NJ dude I met at Boeing field. there were a bunch of the NJ airplanes there and he told me they launched out of there all the time so I wouldn't have to commute... wow, that must be awful for the guys that live in the Seattle area!!

No it isn't too bad for them, since they are under what they call HBA. aka home basing. Meaning they airline out of SEA, or pick a jet up in SEA/BFI.

If you get hired now, it is a whole different ballgame. Interview and tell them you won't move to one of their messed up Domiciles, that is the way to make this go away.... enough people tell them that and things will change....

 

[ce750drvr]

No it isn't too bad for them, since they are under what they call HBA. aka home basing. Meaning they airline out of SEA, or pick a jet up in SEA/BFI.

If you get hired now, it is a whole different ballgame. Interview and tell them you won't move to one of their messed up Domiciles, that is the way to make this go away.... enough people tell them that and things will change....

Exactly!! But the company will have to give us something for it. It doesn't come for free.

 

[Hogan]

Huh, thanks for the info. I saw all those jets with QS on the tail and wondered if EJ had a base at BFI. I'll keep RNObased's suggestion in mind. How long do you have to wait (get seniority) for the 7&7 schedule and how much of that time is eaten up by commuting home? What is the QOL like for a new hire?

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Exactly!! But the company will have to give us something for it. It doesn't come for free.

they dont have to ask for any thing. the contract allows them to have 100% of pilot hba. It just says they MAY limit to 30% but no less. so if they dont get enough pilots they will just have to offer them hba.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Huh, thanks for the info. I saw all those jets with QS on the tail and wondered if EJ had a base at BFI. I'll keep RNObased's suggestion in mind. How long do you have to wait (get seniority) for the 7&7 schedule and how much of that time is eaten up by commuting home? What is the QOL like for a new hire?

It is anybody's guess on how long it will take for 7/7. If they get enough volunnters for the reserve then you get 7/7 right away. If they dont get enough, at least 10% of the pilot group in that plane and seat, then the most junior pilots get stuck on reserve untill then can bid off it. As for the commuting depends on if you get a domicile (new hire) or if you get to use a hba. I will fly out of my home so I start day 1 at the airport and either airline to my plane or pick one up thier and they have to get me home by day 7.

 

[ce750drvr]

they dont have to ask for any thing. the contract allows them to have 100% of pilot hba. It just says they MAY limit to 30% but no less. so if they dont get enough pilots they will just have to offer them hba.

I don't remember reading it that way. Dammit. Can't wait until the four years are up. We quit fighting too early. I just hope "the pledge" is in everyone's vocabulary next time.

 

[CMHTroll]

I am amazed!

I don't remember reading it that way. Dammit. Can't wait until the four years are up. We quit fighting too early. I just hope "the pledge" is in everyone's vocabulary next time.

I would have thought that you would be looking to "pledge you best" in working with the company. Maybe if you can work with the company and work on the partnership, you will find the next negotiation a much easier and satisfying road.

 

[tk855]

New payscales are now posted on airlinepilotpay. Good work guys, job well done.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I would have thought that you would be looking to "pledge you best" in working with the company. Maybe if you can work with the company and work on the partnership, you will find the next negotiation a much easier and satisfying road.

Well look what turkey reared his head just before Turkey Day.

The partnership is a brain child of Boisture. He wanted it a year ago as he proclaimed that a Union was unecessary. 12 months later he repackages the concept and attempts ot resell it once again.

The onus is on Bridgeway/Woodbridge to PROVE to the pilots what they are different than any other management team in the entire world. THAT is a pretty tall order.

Here is why the partnership is flawed. The chemistry of management and Union Workers has remained unchanged for almost a century now.

mangagement exists to eek every single penny from the operation possible.

Labor exists to obtain a contract that the majority of hte membership finds acceptable to work with for a period of time.

The RLA is the glue that bonds the two; painfully at times.

Pilots are contract employees and hence, really only care about one thing at the end of the day. A fair day at fair pay. We are not on the BOD. We have no say in any decisions that are made unless we negotiate for them. We are laborers.

I have worked for companies that were making tons and some that were losing tons. Regardless of the level of "partnership" that existed between labor and management, NO more or NO LESS money found it's way into my pocket becasue I had a contract. If I had to wager, either company type would have taken more from me to make even more or lose less without the contract.

I will never look into the eyes of management and see them for anything that they are not. They are profit maximizers. Well guess what? So am I.

I seek to profit for myself, my fellow NetJets Brothers, fellow Fractional Plot Brothers (whether they like it or not) and the entire aviation community at large.

Do you know why? Because management never will. Regardless of how many nice things are said, the truth comes out on the day that the pen meets the paper.

A partnership such as what is being proclaimed is a candy coated turd that resembles the working relationship of a cobra and a mongoose. Those two "partners" will never sit down and enjoy each others company.

Happy Thanksgiving.

After being FEARFUL, and after being "PREPARED" I am simply very THANKFUL... Thankful that I have a STRONG UNION.

Gobble, Gobble, you turkey.

 

[Heavy Set]

Well look what turkey reared his head just before Turkey Day.

The partnership is a brain child of Boisture. He wanted it a year ago as he proclaimed that a Union was unecessary. 12 months later he repackages the concept and attempts ot resell it once again.

The onus is on Bridgeway/Woodbridge to PROVE to the pilots what they are different than any other management team in the entire world. THAT is a pretty tall order.

Here is why the partnership is flawed. The chemistry of management and Union Workers has remained unchanged for almost a century now.

mangagement exists to eek every single penny from the operation possible.

Labor exists to obtain a contract that the majority of hte membership finds acceptable to work with for a period of time.

The RLA is the glue that bonds the two; painfully at times.

Pilots are contract employees and hence, really only care about one thing at the end of the day. A fair day at fair pay. We are not on the BOD. We have no say in any decisions that are made unless we negotiate for them. We are laborers.

I have worked for companies that were making tons and some that were losing tons. Regardless of the level of "partnership" that existed between labor and management, NO more or NO LESS money found it's way into my pocket becasue I had a contract. If I had to wager, either company type would have taken more from me to make even more or lose less without the contract.

I will never look into the eyes of management and see them for anything that they are not. They are profit maximizers. Well guess what? So am I.

I seek to profit for myself, my fellow NetJets Brothers, fellow Fractional Plot Brothers (whether they like it or not) and the entire aviation community at large.

Do you know why? Because management never will. Regardless of how many nice things are said, the truth comes out on the day that the pen meets the paper.

A partnership such as what is being proclaimed is a candy coated turd that resembles the working relationship of a cobra and a mongoose. Those two "partners" will never sit down and enjoy each others company.

Happy Thanksgiving.

After being FEARFUL, and after being "PREPARED" I am simply very THANKFUL... Thankful that I have a STRONG UNION.

Gobble, Gobble, you turkey.

Management has proven it can't be trusted. At the end of the day, you need coordinated leverage - and a strong union provides that. It's an all or nothing game. Otherwise, you have a situation where politics comes into play (like at CS) and objectivity is thrown out the window... Unions can bring standards (objective - not subjective) and structure to a work force.

Are they always effective? Nope. Are they always warranted? Nope. Some unions can adversely impact a corporate culture that works well. But if management is prone to exploit a workforce (doesn't show respect for its employees relative to alternate employers), then a union can be an employee's best friend and protector... It's expensive, but it certainly worked well for NJA (the new union representation that is). That's my $0.02.