NETJETS Profits...UP UP and AWAY!

[FLYLOW22]

Face it. If you havent fixed it by now your not going to. how long have you had? How long has this glouruous idea been floating around and you STILL can't make it work??? Dude if we did our job the way you do yours we WOULD be out of business and that is a fact!!! I'd like to hear you argue that. You guys had your chace and you failed. Face it it just dosent work. If i were you I would go back to the drawing board before the economy slows down.

What really kills turds like FamGhey is that PILOTS may just be part of the solution in an industry that decided to shun them and treat them like cogs.

It just irks them to hell that they can't just sing a memo and solve the company problems.

 

[Guitar Guy]

What is your definition of failure?

We could start with the fact that pilots are barred from communicating directly with schedulers. There are sadly plenty of missed opportunities because the company continues to maintain a wall between crews and schedulers. If we have a mechanical problem, we can talk directly with maintenance. If there's a problem with a flight release, call directly to a dispatcher. Ops-related issue, we can talk directly with an ACP. But if there's a scheduling issue, we can only call a flight manager or ACP and hope that the message gets delivered "the big giant head" at least partially.

I would consider that situation an ongoing failure and one that should have been corrected long ago. A boat goes faster when everyone is rowing in the same direction.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Failed?



utilization rate of the aircraft is 10% better than a year ago
maintenance availability is 10% higher than a year ago
we fly about about 800 flights per day. What percentage of the dispatches are incorrect?
We order over 1,000 meals a day, what percentage of orders are wrong?
We arrange hundreds of hotel rooms a day, what percentage are wrong?

What is your definition of failure?

You really want answers to his?? WOW!!

You forgot to ask the right question Ghey.

How many of these operations would have gon T.U. without pilot intervention????

That is the question.

 

[FLYLOW22]

A boat goes faster when everyone is rowing in the same direction.

"Or pulliung a rope in the same direction??"

Hmmm. Sounded good when I heard it. Darn near brought a tear to me eye.

Sounded good anyway.

 

[realityman]

FG,

You STILL don't get it, do you?

Sigh.

I'm afraid it's attitude like yours that's going to cause round two of negotiations to be a repeat of round 1. FLYLOW, you ready?

FG, how about talking to all the newhires and asking them if domiciles are an insignificant issue. Especially since every reason the company gave for needing the domiciles has failed to materialize. Except the most important reason: creating a wedge in the pilot group.
Puh-lease! Domiciles needed for more direct airlining of crews?! Did that reason sound good to you after 4 beers or 5?

Yes, we KNOW we have it good here. And it wasn't from charity by the company. We had to FIGHT for it, tooth and nail. You act like NJA management made this place a wonderful place to work out of the goodness of their hearts.

And continuing to fight for improvements, even in crewfood, is a good thing.

Oh, and just because crewfood and domiciles are the two issues YOU chose to bring up and call 'the only things we have to bitch about', doesn't mean that's all we're pursuing. There are PLENTY of other important issues that we'll be addressing very soon.

We got a good contract last time. But we got it knowing there were many things that would still need to be worked on. And guess what? We're wroking on them.

PS- Again, must remind you that the crewfood program in it's current incarnation was something the company wanted, not the pilots. Naturally, we're trying to fix that abortion.

 

[RNObased]

I asked you a question FG, when you going to answer it???

 

[fischman]

How do you take that quote - aimed at people complaining about what are relatively minor issues - and extrapolate it into an attack on all pilots at NetJets?

Regardless of how you 'perceive' the 'tone' it is a valid point, one that you've already validated in your earlier posts...

Amazing how quickly some people forget the past...

Don't talk to me about the past. I have a degree in U.S. History.

I stand by all my previous posts and I think that if you read what I write instead of hitting the quote button you would see that I never attacked NetJets. If fact, it is the best job I have had.

I was attacking you, the man who supposedly has the highest respect for the pilots of NetJets (remember posting that?) and serve bitch slaps to all. How do you do this you may ask? You call domiciles a trivial issue. The fact that you see it as trivial just illustrates how out of touch with reality you are. I mean: You are out there man!! Way out there.

Crew food trivial? These jets need 3 consumables to fly. 1) fuel 2) coffee 3) food. I want you to take a good look at that menu. Eat nothing but what is on that POS for a week. Tell me how you feel about a 4 hour old salmon fillet after that. Tell me what you think about PB&J after eating nothing else for lunch for a week. Tell me how you feel about old translucent fruit. Tell me how you feel about you food not showing up. Tell me how you like a pork chop as hard as a hockey puck. Tell me how you fell about the company giving out a crappy settlement and continue to violate the contract because they know it will only cost them $25.

BTW, how long do you think I've been with NetJets?

 

[FLYLOW22]

FG,

You STILL don't get it, do you?

Sigh.

I'm afraid it's attitude like yours that's going to cause round two of negotiations to be a repeat of round 1. FLYLOW, you ready?

You know... I was just thinking the same thing myself tonight.

I really think FamGhey LIKES the conflict. I think he knows nothing else and will continue to display the same hum drum, "Me Boss, You peon" mantra that he always has while simultaneously worshiping upper management like some form of Demi Gods that shoot thunder bolts from their arses.

I hope that round 2 will never be necessary because there are no true winners... but of course... we ALL will be ready.

 

[Diesel]

Still pulling on that rope?

Oh thats right they lost yet another lawsuit against a crew member.

We're all pulling together right?

 

[FamilyGuy]

And why do you think that the inefficiency hasn't been fixed???? Any idea???
Maybe because everyone has their own little castle and needs to protect it??? Or maybe the fact that no one in the company is accountable for anything except the folks actually driving the jets around??? This is the fact that chaps my a$$ no end. No one is accountable for any of their actions in CMH. I know of only one person to get the axe for doing some dumb stuff, but then again she cost the company millions.

Accountability.... Family Guy when we going to see some??????

Not sure what you're talking about here. I've personally seen four different leadership teams here in columbus since I joined the company. I've seen a lot of people come and go. Just went through it again last year.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Crew food trivial? These jets need 3 consumables to fly. 1) fuel 2) coffee 3) food. I want you to take a good look at that menu. Eat nothing but what is on that POS for a week. Tell me how you feel about a 4 hour old salmon fillet after that. Tell me what you think about PB&J after eating nothing else for lunch for a week. Tell me how you feel about old translucent fruit. Tell me how you feel about you food not showing up. Tell me how you like a pork chop as hard as a hockey puck. Tell me how you fell about the company giving out a crappy settlement and continue to violate the contract because they know it will only cost them $25.

4 hour old salmon fillet? translucent fruit? PB&J?

Try eating dehydrated beef patty and dehydrated fruit that's been wrapped in brown plastic and sitting in a warehouse for a couple of years.

I ate that stuff for years while serving this country.

Don't bitch to me that 20+ choices on a catered menu that's been vetted by a dietician and voted on and approved in conjunction with the union is somehow substandard. That doesn't hold water, especially when you consider what our soldiers are eating.

So you get $25 if you dont get a meal?

Based on your 'tone' I take it that you find that to be an insult. What does your degree in US history tell you should be the proper remedy for a missed meal?

BTW, how long do you think I've been with NetJets?

My guess? Early 2005.

 

[pilotpat]

NETJETS Profits...UP UP and AWAY!

Sorry. I just had to gunfyter. $55 Million is all I care about from Page 1 right now. That means my application looks better and better each day.

 

[Diesel]

Try eating dehydrated beef patty and dehydrated fruit that's been wrapped in brown plastic and sitting in a warehouse for a couple of years.

I ate that stuff for years while serving this country.

Ahhh yes the old this hotel is better than the tent I was staying in. Yeah here's news I could care less. Thanks for your service but this isn't the military. You want the military go to fedex.

You ate it because you had no choice. We've got a choice. You just don't like our other choice.

Don't bitch to me that 20+ choices on a catered menu that's been vetted by a dietician and voted on and approved in conjunction with the union is somehow substandard. That doesn't hold water, especially when you consider what our soldiers are eating.

While the menu is not my cup of tea that really isn't the problem. The problem is that the quality of the food is substandard. Caterers are hitting price points now instead of quality. The company has told them we really don't care what the quality is just that you're only going to get paid xyz. Rudy's food has gotten to the point it is something I wouldn't even serve to my dog.

Bringing up men in women in armed service is just a way to deflect the argument to try and bring up some sort of guilt. Nope sorry not going to happen. It has no place in this argument. Once again deflect the real argument and do nothing about the issue.

 

[FLYLOW22]

4 hour old salmon fillet? translucent fruit? PB&J?

Try eating dehydrated beef patty and dehydrated fruit that's been wrapped in brown plastic and sitting in a warehouse for a couple of years.

I ate that stuff for years while serving this country.

Don't bitch to me that 20+ choices on a catered menu that's been vetted by a dietician and voted on and approved in conjunction with the union is somehow substandard. That doesn't hold water, especially when you consider what our soldiers are eating.

So you get $25 if you dont get a meal?

Based on your 'tone' I take it that you find that to be an insult. What does your degree in US history tell you should be the proper remedy for a missed meal?



My guess? Early 2005.

You want me to play some patiotic music for you here bud?

A few stars n stripes?

Working with NJA is not to be compared to the armed forces at all. The tax payers pay the bill for the military and those guys are just plain studs.

We are paid for by the Owners... and we are just plain studs.

$25 dollars for a meal? Not worth it. I'd rather go find my own meal. I'm sure that the delay incurred to the Owner is worth more than $25 dollars. To that end, I am not concerned about the paltry award offer from crew food grievances. The safety of the flight, crew and Owners is my priority #1. Playing games with food... not so much.

The point he's trying to make to you shell shocked, jerky eating mind is that we are trying to do our best out here and we have several obstacles working against us.

You and proper nutrition (crew food) are two of them.

Are you part of the solution or the problem FamGhey?

 

[gunfyter]

... and we are just plain studs.

We are PLANE studs....

I made a mistake in the beginning of this thread. I just wanted FG and those like him that said -- we couldn't afford to pay pilots and make profits -- EAT SOME CROW.

BUT FG is too much of a lightning rod around here and the whole thread seems to have become all about him.

BTW I don't see that he has admitted his mistake

 

[Fozzy]

FG,
Thank you for your service. But you are still a tool. I guess we should be happy to have any food at all since people are starving somewhere. And we should be happy for a hotel because there are homeless people.

Your counterpoint sucked. Try again.

 

[hydrarkt]

4 hour old salmon fillet? translucent fruit? PB&J?

Try eating dehydrated beef patty and dehydrated fruit that's been wrapped in brown plastic and sitting in a warehouse for a couple of years.

I ate that stuff for years while serving this country.





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Oh you are an idiot!! So because you had to eat an MRE or two ( so did I), you think that NJA pilots should have to eat crap too!!! I repeat... you are an idiot!! In case you didn't notice, these are two different ballgames. One is for defending one's country. The other is for flying around the rich, famous and overpampered. I don't think that you can equate the importance of these.
Also, while serving in Bosnia and Kosovo, I ate like a king!! The Army contracted B&R to provide HOT meals 24/7. The food was MUCH better than the crewfood meals.

 

[higgy]

Failed?

That's a pretty harsh assessment for a business model that's been in place for over 20 years and makes a profit.

The point you are missing is that we are talking about improvements. The basic model works, but we all see things that can be done better.

But I would like to hear why you think people have failed here in columbus.

utilization rate of the aircraft is 10% better than a year ago
maintenance availability is 10% higher than a year ago
we fly about about 800 flights per day. What percentage of the dispatches are incorrect?
We order over 1,000 meals a day, what percentage of orders are wrong?
We arrange hundreds of hotel rooms a day, what percentage are wrong?

What is your definition of failure?

I was reffering to the whole domicile/rca idea that u guys came up with that was going so save the company millions not the business model

 

[fischman]

So you get $25 if you dont get a meal?

Based on your 'tone' I take it that you find that to be an insult. What does your degree in US history tell you should be the proper remedy for a missed meal?

$300 is what my degree in US history tells me the payout should be. I'll tell you why. NetJets has a history of violating the contract when it suits them. The only way to get them to comply with that contract is to hit them where it hurts, namely the wallet.

Yes, I find that disregarrding the CBA the company has agreed to insulting. I find the $25 payout as a crutch for the company to continue to violate the contract where ever convienant. Therefore I ask for more than the substandard remedy.

The solution is simple. Comply with the contract we agreed to, and I will never have to file another grievance again.

 

[RNObased]

Not sure what you're talking about here. I've personally seen four different leadership teams here in columbus since I joined the company. I've seen a lot of people come and go. Just went through it again last year.

I'm asking you when people in CMH are going to be accountable for their dumb actions???? I'm asking you when someone besides the pilots are going to be held accountable???