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[RNObased]

Diesel calling in fatigued 3 times on one tour for example...

Then get scheduling some adult supervision. When you are scheduled for day after day of 13+ hr work days. Guess what happens, you drop the F word. If Diesel or myself doesn't use that out, guess what, bad things can happen that effect everyone, including you.

I can't believe you had the nerve to actually post that statement.

You truly live in a dream world when it comes to flying the line don't you. And don't say, "I go out on the road" Doesn't count. Not when you are cherry picking all the good trips, the good overnights and have your friends in scheduling taking special care of you. What a geek.

 

[Diesel]

How many times have we heard from upstairs, we can't give you more than 10hrs rest unless you use the F word?

You also can't switch the human body from flying nights to days 3 times in a tour. The body doesn't work like that. I'd be hard pressed to find someone's body that does and still be able to fly multiple transcons in a tour.

Thought long and hard about slamming FG but in the end I realized at the time my body needed more rest. All nighters, then days, then nighters again plus multiple 10hr turns. Is it the norm? nope but it is reality in our busy environment with no thought given to the human body.

 

[SCT]

Is EJM part of that 36M profit or do they report seperatly? Also, what did European EJ do this quarter?

Just curious-

 

[fischman]

Family Guy

You are wrong.

About what you might ask?

Everything.

And just as a reminder:

28.1 Duty Period Limitations​

Crew members will not be scheduled to exceed 14 hours of duty, except as provided
elsewhere in the Agreement. Any Crew member too fatigued to operate an aircraft as a
required crew member will contact the Flight Manager or Chief Pilot as soon as possible
and inform them that he cannot accept a Flight Assignment. Any Crew member making
such a call will not be required to act in the capacity of a required flight crew member
until such time as he is adequately rested. The Company will provide a crew member
making such a call with a rest period of at least fourteen (14) hours following the
crewmember’s duty period. The crew membercrew member is responsible to ensure he takes the
necessary steps to become adequately rested during this extended rest period. A
Company representative receiving such a call shall not request the Crew member to
continue flying. Further, making such a call will not subject the Crew member to​

discipline without just cause.


I was told by Mr. Santulli HIMSELF that he does not want me to fly tired. That is first hand communication brother.

I am protected by the contract. If I'm fatigued, I do not operate a vehicle.

How are you to tell anybody what fatigued is? Do you know Diesel's schedule? Did you know what was going on to him that week? Do you know when I'm fatigued?

On average, I call in fatigued at least once a tour. I do not abuse the policy. When I am too tired to fly, I don't


But I do want to give you a thank you. Flylow's quotes were awesome. Thanks for the reminders.

 

[gunfyter]

Is EJM part of that 36M profit or do they report seperatly? Also, what did European EJ do this quarter?

Just curious-

I believe it includes everything. Not broken down but NJE was said to have made a profit.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Hey dumbass... RTFQ. I can PM you the meaning of this acronym if you require it.

I'm looking for hypocrisy examples, not examples of me treating you like you feel about labor.

For the slower members of our internet audience, namely Famly Ghay.

RTFQ???

WDYRTOPYFM

Why dont you read the original point YFM (I can PM you the rest of the acronym if you need it)

I said you were a hypocrite for getting your panties in a wad about a snide comment when you've made hundreds of snide comments on this board yourself....

Anything else you pilot-hating S.O.B.?

The information that I offer here is for all to use as they will. You are no friend of labor, pilots or me. Let's get that straight.

Had you not come out as such a Bung Hole towards this pilot group during the Summer of Love that we had with management in 2005, I might feel differently.

You can quote all the FLYLOW22isms you wish, one thing remains constant; you are a tool.

The most recent example? You questioning a pilot about how, when, why and the frequency of Fatigue calls. How dare you?

Now I'll challenge you to show me where I've been a 'pilot hating SOB' and came out as a 'bung hole towards this pilot group'.

I work everyday with our pilots and count many of them as friends. I have the utmost respect for the job they perform day in and day out. If you'll reread my posts you'll see that I supported them in getting a raise for their hard work.

What I did not condone, then or now, is the disrespect and arrogance displayed by some towards our chairman and his appointed executives. There is no need in negotiations to turn to personal, negative attacks. It is unprofessional and beneath this pilot group.

Mr Santulli created this industry and all the jobs we all enjoy today. He deserves better treatment than what I've seen on this board.

If you are so ungrateful why dont you just go back to USAirways?

I find it abhorrent that someone with less than 5 years with this company could be so arrogant and disrespectful to someone who basically saved your ass from the unemployment line after you were laid off by USAir.

 

[FLYLOW22]

RTFQ???

WDYRTOPYFM

Why dont you read the original point YFM (I can PM you the rest of the acronym if you need it)

I said you were a hypocrite for getting your panties in a wad about a snide comment when you've made hundreds of snide comments on this board yourself....



Now I'll challenge you to show me where I've been a 'pilot hating SOB' and came out as a 'bung hole towards this pilot group'.

I work everyday with our pilots and count many of them as friends. I have the utmost respect for the job they perform day in and day out. If you'll reread my posts you'll see that I supported them in getting a raise for their hard work.

What I did not condone, then or now, is the disrespect and arrogance displayed by some towards our chairman and his appointed executives. There is no need in negotiations to turn to personal, negative attacks. It is unprofessional and beneath this pilot group.

Mr Santulli created this industry and all the jobs we all enjoy today. He deserves better treatment than what I've seen on this board.

If you are so ungrateful why dont you just go back to USAirways?

I find it abhorrent that someone with less than 5 years with this company could be so arrogant and disrespectful to someone who basically saved your ass from the unemployment line after you were laid off by USAir.

Listen to you...

"The Santulli who made this company from dust in seven days."

You are a space cadet.

WE ALL MADE THIS COMPANY TOGETHER.

We lose and win together. I think the company needed a lesson in what it's like to NOT have the pilots along as part of the team. They got it. Lesson over.

You are still a tool and I'm not negotiating with you. Tool.

You are not a pilot advocate. Never was.

You are no Labor advocate, never was.

121 flying is the past. I am about the future. I try not to look behind too much, all I see is ass.

WDWFRPOTFM? I have no idea what this means. Is this some kinda come on?

 

[FLYLOW22]

And to continue on...

I think it's pretty HYPOCRITICAL to say that you supported pilots getting a raise here at NJA yet daily posted anti-labor drivel.

Anyone paying attention knew where you stood. Anyone with a little insight knows who you are.

I'm sure you "work with" pilots everyday.

More on the "Santulli effect"...

I am happy to work here at NJA but I will NEVER be expoloited by management BECAUSE of my feelings. This type of exploitation always comes at labor expense. See: Shiny Jet Syndrome.

Santulli had a great idea. Labor was the muscle that moved the vehicle while he continued to steer it to keep it on the road. He had to take the wheel back from Boisture after we were headed for the weeds but...

That pretty much sounds like a symbiotic business relationship to me.

We need him. He needs us. Happiness can follow... or not as Union labor almost ALWAYS acts in respose to stimulus that management provides; good or bad.

As for my pay raise, I thank Local 1108 and nothing more.

I am all for happiness and continued profitability.

I'm all for MEGA HUGE profits... but I want a taste for my efforts.

Do you still need the PM containing the meaning of acronym?

 

[NJACrewservicer]

Maybe the two of you should take this to PM's anyway....regardless if you get the meaning to the acronym. The animosity the two of you have toward each other makes the separation between the 2 groups even greater.

(Yes, I know this is a public board and if I don't want to read it...yada yada yada.)

But, the 2 groups need to start working together better for the future of this company and the 'MEGA' profits we all want to see.

Cheers! (From the old days)

 

[realityman]

There is no need in negotiations to turn to personal, negative attacks. It is unprofessional and beneath this pilot group.

Ah FamilyGuy, how quickly we forget (or lose brain cells from having your head too far up management's a** to breathe properly)......

I can name at least one pilot who was personally attacked by management during negotiations. And he, essentially, did nothing wrong. And when it went to court and the court found in his favor, how did management react? Did they magnanimously admit they were at fault and put things right? Did they attempt to foster the good will of the pilot group? Or did they, at great cost and time, pursue this individual again and again in court, only to be repeatedly shot down by the courts, all the while squandering what very little good will was left in the pilot group.

I believe we all considered that a personal, negative attack.

I think I (FINALLY!!!) figured out who you are. FLYLOW was wrong to call you a 'pilot-hating S.O.B.' and a 'bunghole'. But only because he'd be moderated if he used stronger (and more accurate) terms.

You are not now, nor have you ever been, in favor of the pilots.