NetJets Places Order For 96 New Aircraft

[hopalong]

are they only hiring 240 pilots this year? If so, that sucks!

 

[skiandsurf]

are they only hiring 240 pilots this year? If so, that sucks!

Looks like hiring 240, while losing about 120 (10/month average). Net gain of 120.

 

[208starcheck]

Bogart has been awfully quiet. I guess he can't find anything negative to say about this press release.

 

[skiandsurf]

The bid award

Here is the scoop...

400XP....6 capt awards...all upgrades...junior # 1853.

560 ...7 capts...all upgrades...junior # 1857.

560E...4 capt...all upgrades...junior # 1851.

XL...3 capts...only 1 was upgrade...junior number # 1625.

680...1 capt...no upgrade...junior # 273.

800XP...2 capts...no upgrades..junior # 736.

2000ez...2 capts..no upgrades..junior #25.

G200...6 capts ...1 upgrade (737 SIC)...junior #536.

....
19 upgrades, 12 movers.

Without looking on the seniority list, the most junior captain is probably under 2 yrs. Thats a good thing.

 

[mooney flier]

#1860 = 02/14/2005

 

[SAEflyer]

Speaking of 121...does anyone know if NJ is still working on a 121 cert? I heard a while back we were doing it to add larger planes to fly teams around..etc.. But, heard nothing on it except that we were close to being done. Did we scrap it? Did it never exist? Anyway, just curious...thanks

RTS told our recurrent class it wasn't happening. He said they looked at flying some sports teams, but they go to the low bidder and tear up the equipment and after some research he said it wasn't the kind of business we were looking for.

 

[Gator1999]

skiandsurf,
I don't see your point...you are critical of the majority of the upgrades going to current PIC's and not to SIC's? Are you saying that the current PIC's should bypass EASY, 2000, G200 as well as 560 and 560E bids just to appease the new SIC's and give them a quickie upgrade? The majority of the bids into the 560, 560E, 400 have all been going junior, so what's your beef?

 

[DO-82 driver]

The days of pilots passing up an upgrade for junior guys are over. The mess has been fixed and the show of unity was there.

This is a new chapter in our history. A chapter where seniority is key. That's just the way the world of professional aviation works.

 

[skiandsurf]

skiandsurf,
I don't see your point...you are critical of the majority of the upgrades going to current PIC's and not to SIC's? Are you saying that the current PIC's should bypass EASY, 2000, G200 as well as 560 and 560E bids just to appease the new SIC's and give them a quickie upgrade? The majority of the bids into the 560, 560E, 400 have all been going junior, so what's your beef?

A PIC doesnt upgrade. A PIC may delay (prevent) SICs from upgrading.

In the airline world, the staffing is run so tight, that when one guys transtions from one type to another, there are numerous other training events to follow. At NJs, I think that this is not the case. If they lose a Falcon PIC, I do not think they are in such a need to replace him. We did have a 737 SIC go to the G200, we will see if the company replaces his spot in the 737. I doubt that they will.....hopefully I am wrong.

I dont have a problem with Ultra and Beechjet captains bidding out of those fleets, but again, i do think it slows down the upgrades when guys move around the left seats o the other fleets. Hopefully I am wrong. But as we know, pilots are sellfish. A captain will argue QOL issues when he doesnt like to fly the X, but doesnt care about the SIC having to drive 6 hrs while making less than 50% of the money. And since I dont like going to training events for 4-6 weeks, I am pretty sure that when I get to a plane with an APU, I will stay there for quite a while. And the pay rates between types isnt significant enough to justify....there is not a spread like a 737 vs 747 payscales. I dont think any of our planes are as comfortable as the ones I used to fly, so comfort creatures isnt a big deal to me. Other people talk about the chief pilots of the fleets....I have no idea who my chief pilot is, other than his name.

I will say that this last award went to more SICs than I had expected, so I do have some confidence in the group.

 

[CA1900]

A captain will argue QOL issues when he doesnt like to fly the X, but doesnt care about the SIC having to drive 6 hrs while making less than 50% of the money.

I challenge you to find one NetJets pilot who will say he doesn't care at all about low SIC pay or the domicile issue. One.


Such bitterness already....

 

[skiandsurf]

I challenge you to find one NetJets pilot who will say he doesn't care at all about low SIC pay or the domicile issue. One.


Such bitterness already....

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

 

[CA1900]

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

At least 50%, obviously. But that same contract also gave newhires a 44% raise, which pretty well negates the claim that they don't care about FO pay. And it eliminated the training contract for newhires.

 

[fischman]

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

You voted yes as well

 

[Ultra Grump]

With 20 captain bids per month x 12 months=240 captains bids/yr.

At the rate of 5 "true upgrades"/month= 4 yrs for 240 "true upgrades".

Last awards, 15 of 36 awards were upgrades. 11 of 23 of the latest bid postings were Ultra, Encore, and 400 slots.

But when a bid comes out for 30 captain positions, and 20 of those seats are taken to current captains, it delays the rest of us.

So 15 of 34 slots were SIC upgrades…

19 upgrades, 12 movers.

At what point do you man up, admit you were wrong, and stop crying about this?

 

[Ultra Grump]

You voted yes as well

No doubt.

 

[Gator1999]

A PIC doesnt upgrade. A PIC may delay (prevent) SICs from upgrading.

First of all, I would consider a PIC going from the X to a PIC in the the EASY an upgrade, wouldn't you? Not in the sense of a SIC to a PIC, but an upgrade in pay within the classes of aircraft, which is what is happening.

Not bitter just stating the facts. And as far as that one pilot that doesnt care, how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles.

You want the facts...The fact is, you took the job knowing that you were going to be in a domicile. No one put you in a domicile. You put yourself there when you decided that this was the job that you wanted. If you don't like it, I'm sure that you are skilled enough of a pilot to go work somewhere else.

Go ahead and blame us pre-contract guys all you want for your commuting or QOL woes...you're still domicile based and the more you bitch about it, the more unhappy you make yourself.

 

[skiandsurf]

First of all, I would consider a PIC going from the X to a PIC in the the EASY an upgrade, wouldn't you? Not in the sense of a SIC to a PIC, but an upgrade in pay within the classes of aircraft, which is what is happening.


...Personally, I wouldnt go thru a month of training for a $1000-$2000 a year payraise. Not worth it. If you meet the requirements, you can be an IOE type and make much more money....isnt it $12,000/yr.



You want the facts...The fact is, you took the job knowing that you were going to be in a domicile. No one put you in a domicile. You put yourself there when you decided that this was the job that you wanted. If you don't like it, I'm sure that you are skilled enough of a pilot to go work somewhere else.


....Again, for me, the Domicle works to my advantage. I live in Newport Beach, so its either SNA or LAX. I really dont like flying into SNA in the back of an airliner, so LAX is doable. Since I am domiciled, I park my car in The Parking Spot next to the Hilton. My car is close if I need it, its out of the sun, and the company pays for me to park there.

Go ahead and blame us pre-contract guys all you want for your commuting or QOL woes...you're still domicile based and the more you bitch about it, the more unhappy you make yourself.

Guys, I am not "unhappy". I really like this job, and would not leave. I am getting a little tired of the arrogance of these NJ pilots. Most of these guys that have been around here have such a big head, but remember, "youre not a real pilot, until you have gone thru a strike, merge, layoff, bankruptcy, or liquidation". For my sake, I hope you never have to experience this.

 

[gunfyter]

. I am getting a little tired of the arrogance of these NJ pilots. .

"Arrogance. I like that in a pilot."
--Top Gun--

​

We will be going through a merger after 2008.

 

[gutshotdraw]

"Arrogance. I like that in a pilot."​

--Top Gun--​

We will be going through a merger after 2008.

"You keep thinking Butch. It's what you're good at."

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

 

[Gator1999]

...Personally, I wouldnt go thru a month of training for a $1000-$2000 a year payraise.

Look at the payscales again...your numbers aren't accurate. Compare between Class 1,2,3 numbers and Class 4 numbers.

....Again, for me, the Domicle works to my advantage. I live in Newport Beach, so its either SNA or LAX. I really dont like flying into SNA in the back of an airliner, so LAX is doable. Since I am domiciled, I park my car in The Parking Spot next to the Hilton. My car is close if I need it, its out of the sun, and the company pays for me to park there.

So if you are so happy, why do you complain about "how many voted for the current contract that put us in domicles." ?

I am getting a little tired of the arrogance of these NJ pilots.

What did I post that gave you the idea that I am one of these arrogant NJ pilots?