NetJets Pilots to Picket Meeting of Berkshire Hathaway Shareholders

[netjetwife]

H25b, I do believe that it's fair to say that about HALF of the pilots have been at NJA for less than 5 years. Because of its hiring boom, it may well be the exception to your theory that ..." The junior guys are the ones that are thrown in front of the train." When you consider that 82% of them voted down an offer of $69K at year 5, you will better understand why those posting here are not worried. StrongUnion has many junior pilots in leadership positions; my husband is a good example. The membership won't be throwing those guys under the train because they're the ones driving the train and stoking the engines...


If you need more proof, look at the success of the bypass pay bid where senior pilots with held their bids and got 116 FOs bumped up to Captain's pay. My husband was one of those FO's and will NOT vote to leave the others on wages that qualify for govt assistance! The fallacy with your theory, as far as NJ is concerned, is that it assumes that the senior pilots are paid properly. That is NOT the case.

Now I'll direct you to Hawkered's post---

"No, not anymore. Everybody gets taken care of, or we walk! This is not some Teamster's joke: this is the most organized campaign that aviation outside of the major airlines has ever seen!

Believe me, I thought this Strong Union thing was not going to be any better than the "Fab Five", when it first got started, but I was wrong!!"
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What an excellent testimony to the level of solidarity we have achieved!
Hawkered was no push over; he took a lot of convincing! The NJ pilots will continue what they started at Omaha--speaking with ONE voice and delivering ONE message. A fair wage for everyone is part of that message.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Voting no was a No-brainer.

The average pilot was on 3rd year looking to start yr 4.

In the TA, 70% of the pilot force was assigned to the Category II payscale.

For these pilots about to start yr 4... and looking over the next 12 yrs of their career...where the payscale stopped at yr 15, the total salary collected over that 12 yr period would be $12,000 LESS than the current CBA provides.

Yes thats right ... $12,000 LESS in total. A PAYCUT....

Thats the great deal we achieved after 3 yrs of negotiations. 82% voted NO on the TA... and then 89% voted to FIRE the MEC.

"There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who cannot."​

 

[Fozzy]

Is there a Ignore button on this board??? Because I am sick of CatPuke and his/her flame bait.

 

[CatYaaak]

Is there a Ignore button on this board??? Because I am sick of CatPuke and his/her flame bait.

Well of course there is. You should use it if it'll make you feel better. "Feel good stuff" and unquestioning agreement is all you ever want to hear anyway.

 

[Grizz]

Is there a Ignore button on this board??? Because I am sick of CatPuke and his/her flame bait.

Yes there is. Best 15 seconds I ever spent was putting that idiot on ignore. I think you just click on his screen name, pull up his profile and there should be a link that says "Add CatYaaak To Your Ignore List." It's been a long time since I did it but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

If everyone ignored him, he'd eventually go away because all the fun would be gone for him. He has nothing but contempt for the pilots at NetJets. Folks that argue with him only feed his delusional feelings of superiority. Ignore him and he'll take his ball and go home.

 

[Fozzy]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


Thank you Griz.
I forgot where that button was. I feel much better now. Hell, I was looking for a reason to have that first drink, and now I have it.
That a$$ was the first to respond, even before you. But now, no more catpuke.

Hey CatPuke, kiss my a$$.

Ha Ha, respond all you want, not going to see it. LOSER!

 

[CatYaaak]

You should change your tag line to.... "When in danger, when in doubt. TALK in circles, scream and shout"

You are a profressional at talking in circles and not making sense. A self proclaimed expert on fractionals with no fractional experience.

If you don't like what ASAP or Netjets publishes, don't read it. Believe it or not, it wasn't written for you.

Yawn

Genius, there's a reason that I don't have "fractional experience", and it ain't the same reason I don't have experience in something I would actually desire...say..."lunar landing experience". If I knew as little about fractionals as you say I do, then gee, I might be there....like you, for instance. Then after I told you to raise the gear we could both sit in the cockpit whining and complaining that we were both fooled with promises and the wealthy are so mean, yet how smart and knowledgable how each other is.

But you amuse me...even moreso when you get your panties in a twist when someone asks you to support your B.S. with facts. You can't.....ever.

Oh yeah, you're definitely high-salary material.

 

[CatYaaak]

Yes there is. Best 15 seconds I ever spent was putting that idiot on ignore. I think you just click on his screen name, pull up his profile and there should be a link that says "Add CatYaaak To Your Ignore List." It's been a long time since I did it but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

If everyone ignored him, he'd eventually go away because all the fun would be gone for him. He has nothing but contempt for the pilots at NetJets. Folks that argue with him only feed his delusional feelings of superiority. Ignore him and he'll take his ball and go home.

Grizz, you should be thanking me. If you didn't have your little made-up demons like me to "eliminate" or corporate evil empires to fight, where would you channel all that gung-ho energy? You might be in jail or something

You began ignoring me when I asked you to reconcile your advice to others to not accept employment at NetJets because it hurts your internal cause with the fact that you did that very same thing when you signed-on. I've always insisted that the easiest way to reject a wage anywhere if it sucks is to not go to work there in the first place, that accepting the position is voting "Yes" to a contract. Now, I'm sure in your eyes you think it's different when you said "yes" back then, because then, it was all about you. Wave all the Righteous Worker Banners you want to wave now, but in reality, it's no different at all.

You may think I'm an idiot, but I know you're a hypocrite.

 

[CatYaaak]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


Thank you Griz.
I forgot where that button was. I feel much better now. Hell, I was looking for a reason to have that first drink, and now I have it.
That a$$ was the first to respond, even before you. But now, no more catpuke.

Hey CatPuke, kiss my a$$.

Ha Ha, respond all you want, not going to see it. LOSER!

Ah yes...such vocabulary. Such uninpired sniping. The only thing you left out was threatening to close down my flight department or maybe say I'm a scab. Nope.. nothing that would be a sign for Original Thought here, but that's no suprise.

Clearly, yet another "quality" individual that's putting me their "I'm Gonna Go Pout" list.

Now, if I could actually feel sad about that, I just know I'd be deeply, deeply saddened. But personally, I think someone would have to be quite a loser to get emotional over what's written on a message board...but that's just me.

But who are you kidding?...trying to justify your first drink of the day? You're no good at it....just look at how you can't even justify simple union-generated statements?

Besides, adults don't need a reason to have a drink. They just have one....children make exuses. Adults should, however, be able to justify their salary. Seems you have it backwards.

 

[Traderd]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


Thank you Griz.
I forgot where that button was. I feel much better now. Hell, I was looking for a reason to have that first drink, and now I have it.
That a$$ was the first to respond, even before you. But now, no more catpuke.

Hey CatPuke, kiss my a$$.

Ha Ha, respond all you want, not going to see it. LOSER!

Is this an accurate reflection of the maturity of the professionals flying NJ aircraft?

 

[Hawkered]

CatYaak,

For somebody who works all of the hours that God sends, or "whatever your belief system is", you sure have spent a lot of time on this message board. How productive is your flight department again?

 

[Live4flyng]

Genius,

At least you got something right for a change.

But you amuse me...even moreso when you get your panties in a twist when someone asks you to support your B.S. with facts. You can't.....ever.

What BS did you ask me to back up with facts? Ever?? I don't wear panties either. Keep talking moron.

 

[CatYaaak]

At least you got something right for a change.

What BS did you ask me to back up with facts? Ever?? I don't wear panties either. Keep talking moron.

I keep waiting to see substantiation of the "less-trained, less-safe" B.S. with even a shadow of evidence. It's quite a claim, so much so, it'll be challenged. Your leadership's B.S. is your B.S. (that's how elections and representation, including the union kind) work. So let's see the comparative statistics between yourselves and those departments making the salary you want to equal. Training and frequency is officially noted, just like incident/accident rates. Those basic statistics would actually help prove the assertion, but lacking even those however, it's meaningless tripe. You can repeat it over and over, it's still meanlingless tripe. Get 2 thousand people chanting it in the streets, and it remains...you guessed it...meaninless tripe.

Do you guys honestly believe you're going to persuade anyone that matters using unproveable, scaremonger tactics that denegrate others?...because you hope it increases the facade of your victimhood? Well, obviously your leaders do or wouldn't issue it. But the thing is, you're not persuading anyone by using them...not your management, not your owners, not any other pilot....the only people believing it is you. That hurts your overall cause because it makes you look stupid, arrogant, neophyte-ish, and...well....stupid.

I suspect I'm dealing mostly with people who came of age in the Clinton Era and learned to spew B.S. masquerading as Fact, no matter how ludicrous and unprovable, who then go crying to mommy and whine about life being "unfair" when asked to back it up.

You might want to pass along this notion up the Lemming-to-Lemming Leader chain of command; When trying to influence people, stick to things you actually know about instead of guessing...it makes you all look foolish.

 

[Live4flyng]

What country are you from **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**cat?

I keep waiting to see substantiation of the "less-trained, less-safe" B.S. with even a shadow of evidence. It's quite a claim, so much so, it'll be challenged.

Go ahead and challange it now! Show everyone how these statements are incorrect.

Strong Union is not comparing NJA wages to other fractionals, airlines, NBAA or commuters.

Jpilot pointed this out to you already. Do you have a problem with english comprehenshion?

They are going after what wages are possible with the profits of NetJets. That and only that is what they are using in negotiations.

PAY ATTENTION Catnip. I am beginning to think you just like to see yourself type.

 

[Fozzy]

Live4flying,

Add that a$$ to YOUR ignore list.

Griz is right, if everyone that wants to rip his head off just clicks the ignore button, he will go away.

................hey CatPuke, read this. Kiss my a$$ you flame baiting turd! LOSER!

 

[Traderd]

Live4flying,

Add that a$$ to YOUR ignore list.

Griz is right, if everyone that wants to rip his head off just clicks the ignore button, he will go away.

................hey CatPuke, read this. Kiss my a$$ you flame baiting turd! LOSER!

Perhaps this is an accurate reflection of the maturity of the professionals flying NJ aircraft.

 

[netjetwife]

I suspect that the (polite) reason that the NJ pilots haven't answered you is because you seem to have misstated the case completely. That and (less polite) they don't consider your post to be worth their time. I'll spare a few minutes between loads of laundry. We picked our son up from college today so that should tell you two things. 1) I don't have a lot of time for your post and 2) I hardly came to age during the Clinton Era.

You have the whole thing back wards, "Yaaak. It is the COMPANY that asserts that NJA's pilots receive MORE training and thus are SAFER. I suppose that is based on the fact that their FOs are required to pass a Capt check-ride. I am not here to argue the merits of whether or not they are THE safest. Do they have a good record? Yes. Does the company twist data to their own purposes? Yes. I've just read a document full of examples.

I don't doubt that you may have heard some NJ pilots question--sarcastically and bitterly--just why they are paid so much LESS than others who are LESS trained and LESS safe. I've never heard the NJ pilots being disrespectful to other pilots. I think you just failed to "get" a private joke. You have completely misconstrued the situation and misidentified the target of their bitterness.

 

[CatYaaak]

CatYaak,

For somebody who works all of the hours that God sends, or "whatever your belief system is", you sure have spent a lot of time on this message board. How productive is your flight department again?

That depends. As defined by the wise old men at ASAP who compare yearly flight hours and nothing else as a measure of productivity, I think it's clear that I fall into that "less-productive" category they speak of. In fact, using a $$$ per flight hour ratio equation, I'm insanely unproductive.

However....

...from an actual corporate flight department (as well as the rest of the business/private aviation world) standpoint, where it would be foolish to measure productivity and value by such a simple equation, I'm very productive....and worth every penny. They give me lots and lots of pennies. If they didn't, or not given good time-off to go along with it, I wouldn't have even considered working there.

I don't understand why people accept bad job offers, refusing them and walking away has always been a source of pleausure for me.

 

[netjetwife]

Is this an accurate reflection of the maturity of the professionals flying NJ aircraft?

Traderd, it may well be a reflection of the general level of frustration those who post here have for the few who are more interested in baiting the NJ pilots--"rubbing their faces in it"--for their own amusement, rather than having a real discussion of contract shortcomings faced by the NJ pilots and their families.

What you read was some of the NJ pilots "throwing up their hands in exasperation". It has nothing to do with maturity, unless one recognizes that in their response to the situation: electing to use the "ignore" option.

 

[Fozzy]

AHHH HAAA HAAA HAAA OH BOY ARE YOU ORIGINAL.

Is that all you have. You hear someone give CatPuke some **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, then you attack me as being immature. Fine. I am immature. Done. You figured it out.

CatPuke is an a$$. I can not see anything that twit has to add (ignore list). I am actually causing my blood pressure to not go through the roof everytime I come to the board. And as a bonus, I know I am driving that dic nuts because I can have my say about him without having to read his BS response. Sure, I may be missing his insightful response, but I can live without it.

So, please go ahead and say what you want.