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Virgin

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Hello,

I am new to this forum and have enjoyed reading most of what is on here. It takes time to find what you are looking for but if you look carefully you can find it. Thanks for all the posts that provide good and useful information.

After careful research and contemplation I have decided to pursue NJI as a place to hopefully retire with. I was wondering if there are any NJI pilots out there that could share any information or even help guide me in the right direction. I have been working at Comair for almost eight years now and am a little bit out of the loop in regards to fractional flying. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please post here or PM me if you wish. If possible, I would prefer the latter.

My thanks in advance.
 
The Gulfstream Type and 500 hrs are only preferred. It is possible to get on without those, however, it would help. The most important thing I have noticed is that a letter of recommendation from an employee is crucial. So if you know anyone, ask for it. We have a few ex-comair guys maybe you know. Follow the link from 'been-there'.

It's a great place to work and I highly recommend it.

Good Luck
 
I don't have a Gulfstream type.

Just about all of my 7200 hours are on the CL-65. Been flying it for about 8 years now, 6 years as a Captain about 4100 hours PIC in the CL-65. Embry-Riddle graduate from Daytona Beach, with a Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Science. I am 34 years old. Hopefully they can get passed the "no time on the Gulfstream or no type on the Gulfstream" issue. Maybe they will give me a chance, NJI really does seem like a place for me.

As far as the recommendation letter from a NJI employee, well I don't know anyone I am afraid.

Again any help is appreciated gents.

Thanks for the replies so far.
 
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Virgin said:
Hello,

I am new to this forum and have enjoyed reading most of what is on here. It takes time to find what you are looking for but if you look carefully you can find it. Thanks for all the posts that provide good and useful information.

After careful research and contemplation I have decided to pursue NJI as a place to hopefully retire with. I was wondering if there are any NJI pilots out there that could share any information or even help guide me in the right direction. I have been working at Comair for almost eight years now and am a little bit out of the loop in regards to fractional flying. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please post here or PM me if you wish. If possible, I would prefer the latter.

My thanks in advance.

Why dont you just save yourself some trouble and try NJA. It will save you from being stapled to the bottom in about 3 years!
 
Don't listen to those "opinions" on what they "think" will happen to our pilot groups. It's all speculation, and yes NJI is hiring. I heard they are doing more interviews in March to go along with the first batch of NJA guys coming over for the June A/C delivery.
 
Virgin said:
I have been working at Comair for almost eight years now

I believe we've filled the CMR quota for the year...

4 is the limit.


Just Joking. All kidding aside I would expect to see new hires into NJI from outside the NJA LOA to be "highly qualified" pilots. Every NJA pilot coming over will require a type and a fair amount of the FO's will need international experience as well, no big deal. However, NJI has always hired a mix of experienced/not-so-experienced pilots to keep the mix set. So, the other 1/2 of all newhires coming into NJI will most likely be your ex-corporate/military pilots with Gulfstream time. Of course I dont make any of these decisions, so I might be blowing smoke.
 
wolfpack - If NJI is looking for "highly qualified pilot" then they missed the boat with you. Ha, kidding buddy. You done with GV school yet?
 
What’s this! Heap all abuse on Wolfpack Day???

Don’t forget, I was before the LOA, so the qualifications were lower! Just ask my IV sim partner, he's a Alabama Redneck and got in, plus he was retired Air Force… Oh yeah right back atch ya.


Done in 8 days (hopefully). I gotta start paying Georgia State taxes if I stay 9!
 
wolfpackpilot said:
I believe we've filled the CMR quota for the year...

4 is the limit.

LOL!! Pretty funny.

So there are interviews scheduled for March? Is it nearly impossible to get in without a letter or recommendation from a NJI employee?

Thanks for the laughs
 
I doubt the interviews are scheduled. I just heard from some management folks that was the 'plan'. It is possible to get in without a letter, but it definitely would give you the best chance.
 
Virgin said:
Embry-Riddle graduate from Daytona Beach, with a Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Science. quote]

Sorry to say this dude, but who gives a rip about the fact that you came from "Embry-Riddle"? I wish you all the luck in your job hunting but I have had it up to here (I am holding my hand about 6' in the air) with the UND and Embry-Riddle grads making a statement like that as though it carries more weight than any of the rest of us with experience. Once a pilot crosses 4,000 hours of so of PIC time, it don't matter where they got their education, they are all experienced pilots that should have good decision making skills. I have known pilots from UND and E.R. that don't have the common sense of a frog but they are still in the cockpit=it does not matter if they got their education from a local FBO or UND or E.R, they should not be in the cockpit. In turn, I have known some pilots that are the some of the best pilots in the air and their education came from FBOs in towns of 4,000 or so people. I have flown with a UND grad who completely forgot to fly the airplane when his headset malfunctioned (reminded me of an airline with gear problems that found a Florida swamp) and I have also flown with a E.R. grad that made one of the worst decisions I have ever seen regarding flying into bad WX.

I am not hammering on you and I ain't hatin'. I am just asking you to look at the broad picture which shows that your education from 7,000 hours of so ago gave up a lot of it's potency after you crossed 3,000-4,000 hours.

Good Luck Dude!~
 
Wow, struck a nerve did he now? DO i sense some jealousy? He was just making a statement. Lay off of him. Oh and for future reference, when applying for a job i hope you don't list every piston airplane you ever flew on your resume like you did on your profile. Although being dual qualified in the C150 and the C152 is pretty impressive...

Sorry, just have to defend the guy, he did nothing to you...relax
 
FLYHIGH - Get a life! The guy was asking a simple question. He was just telling his stats to get an honest opinion on his chances of getting a job. Didn't seem like he was 'bragging' about ER to me. Bold move to criticize his decision making abilities based a few morons you've dealt with. Give him a break.
 
We are hiring, and good luck! I have heard nothing to indicate that management bases any of their hiring volume decisions on any union considerations, just proportionate staffing with the best guys/gals they can find. I have had the pleasure of flying with many of our newbies lately, and they have all done a terrific job. Even that ugly dude from FlexJet, my alma mater! :-)
 
If I have offended any of you, I am sorry.

That was not my intention. I though I would simply state a few of my qualifications to see if they were competitive, as I don't have the "preferred" qualifications..ie Gulfstream Type..etc.

To all that have responded so far, thanks a bunch.

If anyone has further insight on what is going on at NJI as far as interviews, please let me know.
 
Can someone refresh me on the difference between NJA and NJI? Can you go from one to the other, and if so will you start at the bottom of the other place's seniority list? Kinda sounds like they should be under the same seniority list?
 
Spyguy said:
Why wouldn't NJI hire a lot in order to delay the NJA guys coming over?

For every two FO and three captain slots a bid will be open to all NJA pilots. The more NJI hires, the more NJA pilots will be integrated. As far as hiring, I believe a post above is fairly accurate. March is what we hear at NJA as well. At least part of the reason is March 21st is the completion date of the Blue Book Working Committee. This is a union and management group working full time to deal with implimentation and compliance of the new CBA. Good luck to all working hard to join the gang, and to all of us already here as we approach changes of unknown proportions.
 
Virgin said:
If I have offended any of you, I am sorry.

That was not my intention. I though I would simply state a few of my qualifications to see if they were competitive, as I don't have the "preferred" qualifications..ie Gulfstream Type..etc.

Dude, you did not offend me at all and I hope that my post did not offend you either. What I was referring to by my post is that just because a pilot comes from ER or UND does not make them any more special than a pilot that got trained at a small FBO. A lot of what makes a good pilot is attitude and dedication. I have flown with many ER and UND grads and I feel that good vs bad is about the same average as if you take pilots that get training at other facilities. I do wish you well because wanting/needing to switch jobs is not fun and you need all of the best wishes/good luck possible.

Later
 
Wolfpackpilot, thanks for the info on NJI. With talk of more interviews in the future do you think that some of the new guys will go straight into the G5.

Also, how long do new hires typically wait in the pool?
Thanks
 
thanks Wolf, if you did make the move from one to the other would you start at the bottom of the list on the other side for pay and bidding purposes or is it one master seniority list for the two companies?
 
Okay, here we go again. For many of you this will be remedial information. Still,

1. As of today, and for at least the next 34 months, Netjets International Inc. is a separate, non-union division of Netjets. NJI operates Gulfstream IV, V, 450, and 550 aircraft for fractional shareholders and under Part 135 for Marquis Jet Partners

2. Under a side letter of understanding between the parent company and Teamsters 1108 (the bargaining representative of Netjets Aviation Inc. a separate union division of Netjets) a portion of future positions at NJI will be filled by NJA pilots bidding according to their NJA seniority position (NJA operates multiple aircraft types including Cessna, Raytheon, IAI/Gulfstream, Falcon and Boeing for fractional shareholders and under Part 135 for Marquis Jet Partners).

3. Each time NJI receives a new aircraft (assuming no attrition of aircraft or pilots), 5 pilot positions are created. Under the LOU, 2 of these positions will by filled by seniority based bid from the ranks of NJA Teamsters 1108 pilots. One pilot will wear 4 stripes and be paid according to the NJA pay scale for Year 1 Captain in a Category 4 aircraft. One pilot will wear 3 stripes and be paid according to the NJA pay scale for Year 1 First Officer in a Category 4 aircraft. In all cases, the NJA pilots must have at least two years with the NJA and 5000 hours total time, the pilots will be type rated in the G-IV only and will operate the aircraft according to the NJI FOM, overtime, travel, scheduling, and training policies. All NJA 1108 members will retain and continue to accrue their union seniority and retain "retreat rights" to NJA in the event of any dispute that cannot be resolved or upon completion of the applicable seat lock.

4. According to the collective bargaining agreement signed late last year, the NJA pilots may, in three years time, petition the National Mediation Board to declare that a single carrier exists between NJA and NJI and forcibly integrate the two pilot groups (as of today, approximately 2300 NJA and 290 NJI).

These are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed. (A Few Good Men)

Ah, but the devil is in the details. As we speak, a "Blue Book" working committee is ironing out many of the "gray areas" of the new contract and there has been much consultation (including legal) and discussion between the union and the managements of NJA and NJI as to how to execute the LOU.

The most popular topics include:
1. When will the first NJA pilots join NJI?

Conventional wisdom says late April for the June aircraft addition.

2. How long will the NJA Captain position holders sit in the right seat as SIC in the Gulfstream?

NJI FOM states "A Pilot with less than 100 hours in type with NJI will not be released as PIC." Ch 3-7-A Beyond that, no announcement has yet been made.

3. If an NJI Captain is flying with an NJA Captain (above item notwithstanding), who is PIC?

No announcement has yet been made.

4. Will the single carrier petition be successful and, if so, how will the pilot seniority and position integration be handled?

Three years is an eternity in this business.

Conclusion: There are many on this board who claim to know "exactly" how all these issues will be resolved. Some claim "it's a slam dunk." Ironically, it's people on both sides of each issue who claim to "know" it's going to be a "slam dunk." There are many other issues including pay equity, vacation and sick time policy, etc. that are still pending.

Unless and until there is a publicy posted e-mail or letter from the management of both NJA and NJI clarifying the policies of these and other issues, anything posted here is either pure speculation or flame bait.

I suppose the purpose of this or any other forum is to have an opinion and express it and I respect all your opinions. Many are informative, some thought provoking, others head-scratching, and a few downright amusing.

So let's hear 'em. Just keep in mind two things. 1) We're all supposed to be colleagues in this crazy business and 2) "Better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

All the above proves I have way too much time on my hands and need to go back to work.
 
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NJI interviews start again in March. Est. hiring about 36 this year, which means 24 off the street, 12 from the "A" side.
 
laterallymobile said:
how long do new hires typically wait in the pool?

Depends on how long they can tread water. After they shrivel up like a raisin and start sinking to the bottom, we usually pull them out and give a class date…

It’s a very deep pool, at least 20 feet on the diving board side!
 

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