NetJets Hiring?

[jonjuan]

You can't hang it up Jack when you hate your wife and have no other hobbies.

Sounds like brokeflier

 

[gunfyter]

If it weren't for the retirees, there would be room for the furloughees to be at work right now. Thanks for playing guys, but you've had your fun and now its our turn.

Don't forget about all the empty kitchens around the country....

 

[Helmsalee]

Or RP170, you've had your retirement hammered in bankruptcy. Twice! The first time (Pan Am) I had enough time to recover somewhat. Not to where I had originally thought I would be, but OK. The second time (Delta) there was less than 2 years left and that put me way behind and needing to work longer. Hopefully, nothing like this will happen to you and you will be able to quit earlier, but be careful what you say now. You could find yourself eating those words down the road.

Also, Cld, it is great to take pride in your work. But don't think you are the only one who does. No one ever got a plane from me that was not in the best condition I could make it. And the vast majority of the guys I flew with (all ages) were the same. Of course there are some lazy, complaining old guys. However, in my experience that is not limited by age group. The worst I ever saw was in his early 30s. There are 5%s old or young, PIC or SIC, all fleets. The painting of a group based on a few individuals to make things agree with your agenda is not fair and sucks, IMO.

BTW, I'm furloughed too.

Helm

 

[brokeflyer]

Sounds like brokeflier

hahaha....i have a lotta hobbies and a business on the side. But none of them make me laugh like reading the crap from here.

Sometimes you see a clown so funny you cant help but laugh JJ......just sayin.

 

[RP170]

Or RP170, you've had your retirement hammered in bankruptcy. Twice! The first time (Pan Am) I had enough time to recover somewhat. Not to where I had originally thought I would be, but OK. The second time (Delta) there was less than 2 years left and that put me way behind and needing to work longer. Hopefully, nothing like this will happen to you and you will be able to quit earlier, but be careful what you say now. You could find yourself eating those words down the road.

Sorry to hear that Helmsalee. That's why I've always lived well below my means and have a significant amount of money already put away in my early 30's so, hopefully, I will never have to rely on any sort of "guaranteed" retirement fund. I want to make sure the money is there when I retire so I save it myself, invest it myself and started at a young age.

Knock on wood, I hope it stays that way for me because I couldn't imagine trying to do the kind of work NetJets demands in my 60's.

 

[jonjuan]

hahaha....i have a lotta hobbies and a business on the side. But none of them make me laugh like reading the crap from here.

Amway really isn't ahem....a business (Brokeflier international). Now, "MILF Hunter IX" and you have yourself a business (or hobby).

 

[brokeflyer]

Amway really isn't ahem....a business (Brokeflier international). Now, "MILF Hunter IX" and you have yourself a business (or hobby).

Its funny you should say that.....wonder why I live in Florida?

just sayin

 

[netjetwife]

Or RP170, you've had your retirement hammered in bankruptcy. Same thought occured to me. Unfortunately, the upheavals in aviation have forced pilots/families to make decisions that aren't their first choice.

Also, Cld, it is great to take pride in your work. But don't think you are the only one who does. No one ever got a plane from me that was not in the best condition I could make it. You're one of the first of the NJ "retired" pilots that I thought of. And the vast majority of the guys I flew with (all ages) were the same. ... There are 5%s old or young, PIC or SIC, all fleets. The painting of a group based on a few individuals to make things agree with your agenda is not fair and sucks, IMO. Agreed. Discrimination is deplorable.
BTW, I'm furloughed too.

Helm

Well said, Helm! This is a good example of experience being an asset. Those who have flown for many years with many different pilots are in a good position to remind others that the silent majority are hard working professionals. Best Wishes from me and my family, NJW

 

[Helmsalee]

Thanks, same to you and yours.
Helm

 

[netjetwife]

There are so many things I could say to this.

And Jacks post as well.

How much money should a pilot have saved when they step aside Jack?

And let's hope that they can avoid any of the unwanted, and often expensive, blows that life can dole out....the kind that can happen to anyone. Then for pilots there are furloughs....that can very definitely throw one's financial plan off track. Wonder how far back this one will be setting folks?

On a more cheerful note, Semore I hope this finds you well.

 

[saviboy]

There are some instances of whole tours of working 12+ hours and flying like crazy and not fatiguing like they should, but overall we really aren't getting crushed. There should definitely be more fatigue calls when people are fatigued for whatever reason, but overall we aren't crazy busy like some squeaky wheels keep trying to tell everyone. I fly the Excel. Some days are hard. Some days I do nothing. Overall I am flying about the average amount for a fractional pilot- I'll do about 450 hours this year. At this rate and the rate they are telling us of 1 to 2 percent growth year over year in the plans, we won't be hiring or recalling any time soon. I honestly don't see any recalls unless they are forced by using sell offs more than 11 days per quarter (none last quarter and only 5 or 6 the first quarter). Slow growth without being overall really busy won't bring hiring for many, many years.

many many years as in 3-5 years or 6-8 years?

thanks

 

[jtf]

How long to recall I really don't know. If Mr. Sokol steps down and brings in a new CEO things will most likely happen a bit faster for recalls, but I highly doubt any recalls for at least another couple of years unless they sell off too many flights in the 4th quarter and have to bring back some contractually. Sokol is a bottom line guy and he is going to find out how lean we can be and still provide a base line of quality that he probably has set for himself (what he will accept as an owner). Unfortunately, I believe his acceptable level is considerably lower than the majority of owners and I fear we will lose many more than we should if we keep on this track. I hope whoever comes in to replace him (he has already said he isn't here for the long term) will continue with a reasonable level of bean counting, while not diluting the luxury side of the business like Sokol has started to do. I also hope whoever comes in is willing to grow a bit faster if the market will allow it and will also step up the airplane orders to at least replace the older airframes- our current orders won't come anywhere near getting all the older airframes replaced. If NJA wants to remain the unquestioned leader, NJA cannot let the fleet age as much as it will without the orders to replace the older aircraft. We put a ton of time on them and these things shouldn't be on property for more than 10 years and probably many years less if we want to provide the best.

 

[jonjuan]

If NJA wants to remain the unquestioned leader, NJA cannot let the fleet age as much as it will without the orders to replace the older aircraft. We put a ton of time on them and these things shouldn't be on property for more than 10 years and probably many years less if we want to provide the best.

The problem is, you can't simply order and take delivery of new airplanes without a near equal number of owners willing to pay for these new airplane shares. Most are sitting in a 5-6 year old plane that is now worth 40-60% of what they originally paid for it. Very few will want to trade-in for a fully priced (with premium) new share and only see the older aircraft when they fly. More and more will begin to, if forced out of their current plane, buy a 2-3 year old plane which has seen significant depreciation.
One option is to take delivery of a ton of new planes in a short period of time in hopes that people will buy them new (in a short period of time to convince people that they will actually fly on new/er airplanes). However, this exposes the company to a huge amount of risk should people be unwilling to trade-in for new. FLOPS is doing this with the Ph300 (buy a new plane, but fly on a 10+ year old bj most of the time).

 

[saviboy]

thanks for the answers

 

[JungleJett]

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You youngin's can google it or your internet equipped talky machine.