NetJets for the New Year...

[Fracster]

Bandit60,

I think you may have mistaken my point. The influx of retired/furloughed airline pilots has helped us greatly from a union standpoint. Not that they will cause problems but by their very presence they have shown so many how a union is supposed to act and run. Non of them come in with negative intentions but we can finaly draw from their experience and knowledge.
NJA is the way it is for many reasons. One being a lack of union presence. Our previous MEC did absolutely nothing to help the situation. An mec of 5 pilots tried to do absolutely everything themselves with no help from anyone. Dave Vermuelen is directly responsible for the problems we have today. Their lack of UNION experience led to the 82% TA rejection and 93% MEC rejection vote.
As for retired/furloughed airline pilots getting corp jobs I have no problem with it. These guys are amply qualified.

 

[FL450]

Fracster,

Throwing names out on the message board with a statement like that is out of line. There are many factors involved as to why we ended up as we did. Lack of an understanding of the contract. Lack of an understanding of the grievance process. Lack of pilot involvement. Apathy. Resignation. Ignorance about what a Union is and how it works.

Even the worst of MECs with a knowledgeable group of pilots couldn't have ended up in a similar situation to ours. A Union is only as strong as it's membership. We all share in the blame. We all need to move forward.

 

[Fracster]

FL450,

We ended up the way we were because, an only because, of him. No if, ands or buts about it.

The group was never educated because of DV, monies were never allocated to educational campaigns because of DV. The mediator believed employee/labor relations were good because of DV. We have lost 3 additional months of negotiating because of DV.

The pilot group understood the contract hence the vote. The pilot group understood the grievance process but when you so-called elected leadership did absolutely nothing to to take grievances further what could we do. Many, many pilots knew how a union was supposed to work and voiced their concerns only to be told everything was fine and "this is how things have always been done".

DV is solely responsible for the situation we are in and if we were a real union more people would have let him know about it.

Thank heaven we finally have a group who has the ability to lead and educate.

 

[FL450]

To coin the 60's, that's a "cop out, Man." To say that DV had so much power and we could do nothing about it is playing the victim in the extreme. We're not children here. We are adults, professional pilots in the real world. We allowed the situation to "be," for whatever reason. And that fact alone makes "us" responsible. Like it or not.