NetJets extended day

[FamilyGuy]

You do not seem to understand the post either.

This is not about working less.

Its about understanding how many days he is committed to.

What he should do is NOT call in sick for a day he does not know whether its a work day or a day off.

Then this won't be an issue. If you are not scheduled. Don't waste a sick day on your day off..

Either you are sick or you are not.

All the rest of this talk is just a smokescreen to obscure the fact that people are trying to minimize time worked and maximize dollars paid.

So much for an honest days work for an honest days pay.

 

[Ultra Grump]

No, it's not about that at all. It's about getting the schedule, sick days, days off, or extended days the company committed to when they agreed to the current CBA. You seem to think that Booya is a liar and is not actually sick. What proof do you have of this? If you have none, then yes you (Family Guy and You're Right) owe him an apology for calling him a liar, thief, and/or cheat, and should then shut up. Have you ever heard of libel, slander, and defamation?

 

[You're right]

Have you ever heard of libel, slander, and defamation?

No, but I have seen DNIF rates for the "Fab 20" going up by 5-10%......

 

[gunfyter]

Either you are sick or you are not.

All the rest of this talk is just a smokescreen to obscure the fact that people are trying to minimize time worked and maximize dollars paid.

So much for an honest days work for an honest days pay.

That right. he was SICK. 4 days. Then goes out on duty. His question is this.

Since tours are 7 days max long. Is he done after 3 more days? Or can the company keep him out beyond that time since he was ACTUALLY sick and not on duty the first 4 days?

The answer is NO... He is done after the 4 DNIF and 3 duty days.


And since he is a new guy here... he is wondering ... what if they do keep me out or i volunteer to stay out? Are the days following 4 sick and 3 duty days extended days or normal days? And if they are normal days -- Do I get back my sick days?

To some people trying to understand this it may seem like a LIMO AREA. Especially a new guy.


If you go back and read the original question, you will see that what is meant by ACTUALLY -- does not refer to whether or not he is ILL. It refers to whether or not the DNIF days count toward the maximum of 7 days he can spend on a tour.

The answer is YES they do. There are NO LIMO Areas.

You have TOTALLY misinterpreted the question originally asked and you owe an apology.


Its "actually" an OUTRAGEOUS Insult....
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[higgy]

Either you are sick or you are not.

All the rest of this talk is just a smokescreen to obscure the fact that people are trying to minimize time worked and maximize dollars paid.

So much for an honest days work for an honest days pay.

Family Guy. Dont take this the worng way. But who in the hell are you??? And why do you care what pilots are talking about??? Or does Netjets actually pay you to browse thsi website?? Maybe I could get the Union to pay me to sit around and browse managment message boards.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Here's an interesting take on the cost of honesty and integrity.

Met a guy today who's friend owns a dollar store:
The store owner budgets a certain % of the daily cash flow to theft from the tellers. Everyone who works as a cashier for him steals money.

His freind thought this was crazy, and asked him why he didn't fire them. The owner explains that if he fires them, then the next person he hires as a cashier steals the money also.

With the type of person he is able to hire with his budget, virtually 100% of the candidates will steal money, so it's cheaper to keep them than to pay excessive job search and training costs every time he would have to fire/hire someone.

I assume that if he paid them enough, he would get a "class" of person who wouldn't steal, but their pay would be so high it wouldn't make sense economically. So, he goes with the low paid stealers and retains them.

I would never have thought this made sense at all, but it does seem to in this specific economic situation.

cliff
YIP

PS-If I had a day off, I would never call in sick-what's the point?...you're already off and not working for the company.

PPS-I HATE! calling in sick, and have been sick numerous times and not called in, hoping I could make it through the flight or, I wouldn't get called (I'm on permanent reserve).

 

[BOOYA]

Wow! I thought this was a simpler question than what it turned out being.

A brief of the answers:

A1 Don't call in sick unless you are going to get a brief for some type of duty

A2 Calling in sick is stealing and dishonest. Shoot! I guess I may as well just be stealing booze out of the locker.

A3 Some people don't like to be dishonest, and since being dishonest is calling in sick, never call in sick.

hahahaha! Wonderful!

Thanks for all of those who gave me some answers to my questions.

Cya!

PS I hate being sick

PPS Not a big fan of calling in sick either, however one thing I hate more is sharing close quarters to someone who is sick. The honest person would call in sick if he/she is so the company will have some advance warning, or I'll call in sick when the pax arrive at 6am in the morning so I don't get charged a sick day. Did I mention I hate being sick? The choice is yours

 

[pilotpat]

I may not work at NJ (yet)...but man! I know where NOT to ask any questions. The guy asked a simple question and people immediately jump on his case for trying to "cheat" the company. How sad. Grow up and get off your kit built soap boxes. At least some of you guys were good enough to answer the guy's question. Hell ~ seemed like the 2nd question was only a hypothetical anyway.

 

[gunfyter]

It s not a matter of calling in Sick when one is not sick.

On the Reserve Schedule you may be called out and used for a maximum 7 days straight.


A depiction on the monthly schedule would look like this after you worked 7 days.

X X X X X X X


But if you are sick on your first day and for the next 3 days. Then go out on day 5 through 7... the calendar looks like this

S S S S X X X.


The purpose of the question was this. What if the company keeps you out beyond that Day 7? Can they do this since he was ACTUALLY sick (and not ACTUALLY on the road the first 4 days). Is it an overtime Extended day? Or a normal day?

The question had nothing to do with calling in sick if one is not sick.

There are those who ACCUSE the this person of being a thief for trying to understand this. I assume the reason they make this accusation is because they possess poor reading comprehension skills.

 

[netjetwife]

Absolutely, there are fine points in the NJ pilots' contract that can get confusing. That's just one of the reasons there are Union Stewards. I encourage the NJ pilots to call the Steward on Duty and/or the Steward's Line if you need help with a contractual issue. They will be glad to help you. Not to knock the help that GF and others were giving--I'm all for camaraderie--but in the interest of getting a faster answer and the ball rolling on solving a problem if additional help is required, I recommend giving the Stewards a call.

The Steward on Duty program is a good example of the company realizing that the union and management share common interests and can work together for the good of all involved. The SOD program is quite successful. The Stewards (most, not all) take turns spending a 7 day tour at CMH (it's mandated in the contract, no less) to provide on the spot guidance for the pilots and a point of contact for the company on the ever-increasing joint projects. The advantages of an organized pilot group extend far beyond the contract table. I see positive signs that NJA is getting that message. NJW

 

[ultrarunner]

Either you are sick or you are not.

All the rest of this talk is just a smokescreen to obscure the fact that people are trying to minimize time worked and maximize dollars paid.

So much for an honest days work for an honest days pay.

I think that went out with their chest-thumping FamilyGuy. They all think they should get what they deserve ( I think NJW uses that term in each sentence ). When in fact, since they have all chosen the 'collective bargaining path', they actually will ONLY get what they can negotiate....it has NOTHING to do with what they deserve.

And that's true of any organized group. You get what you can negotiate...nothing more, nothing less...

 

[notaNJApilot]

And that's true of any organized group. You get what you can negotiate...nothing more, nothing less...

Exactly!
That is the joy of a contract from the management side. We follow the rules...anything in the pilots favor turns into a costly precedent, anything in the companys favor turns into a grievance.

 

[DO-82 driver]

NotaNJApilot,

Are you serious about Management playing by the rules??????

Grievance Awards for September 2006---$13K

Grievance Awards August 2006----$19K

Grievance Awards so far for 2006----$650,000!!!!!!!!

I am averaging a grievance every tour for scheduling violations.....

I hope the Puzzle Palace conmtinues to "plays by the rules", the money looks real nice in my bank account.

 

[BOOYA]

NotaNJApilot,

Are you serious about Management playing by the rules??????

Grievance Awards for September 2006---$13K

Grievance Awards August 2006----$19K

Grievance Awards so far for 2006----$650,000!!!!!!!!

I am averaging a grievance every tour for scheduling violations.....

I hope the Puzzle Palace conmtinues to "plays by the rules", the money looks real nice in my bank account.

I'd better quit callin in sick so often, I need a little part of the action

or I need to learn the rules.

 

[netjetwife]

I think that went out with their chest-thumping FamilyGuy. They all think they should get what they deserve ( I think NJW uses that term in each sentence ). When in fact, since they have all chosen the 'collective bargaining path', they actually will ONLY get what they can negotiate....it has NOTHING to do with what they deserve.

And that's true of any organized group. You get what you can negotiate...nothing more, nothing less...

You're stating the obvious there, UR... Rallying a group to stand up for what they deserve often takes consistent encouragement. It has everything to do with what they deserve. Prior to negotiating a group must research the going rate to determine where they fit in the scheme of things. I saw (literally) the research behind the NJ contract. NBAA figures were used because the frac wages were all too low. They also surveyed the NJ pilots. Once a determination was made on what the pilots deserved they were able to set their bargaining goals accordingly. You don't go to the bargaining table without a plan....that should be obvious, too....