NetJets extended day

[BOOYA]

On the reserve schedule.

Called in and they said they were going to use me 2 days from now.

DNIF for day 1, 2, and 3.

Called in well for day 4.

Sent out to meet up with a captain on day 4 and he was on day 3.

If I was to volunteer to work on his last day that would be day 8 for me, would I get an extended day pay?

If I was on the 7and7 I think this would be an easy yes, but what about on the reserve schedule? The FM said which day i was on the schedule and I called DNIF the day prior. Then I called in well late in the evening on day 3. Day 4 I airlined to where the airplane was and the other guy was on day 3. If I was to volunteer would I get the extended day pay for working his last day?

 

[Twotter76]

Yes because even though you DNIF'd the first three days it would still be day 8 for you and thus they would have to pay you for the extended day. They cannot retroactively go back and call your sick days days off. You were scheduled to work those days so they count towards your 7.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Well, you either get the extended day or keep your sick days in the bank, a win-win for you!

 

[BOOYA]

Well, you either get the extended day or keep your sick days in the bank, a win-win for you!

That may answer my other question I had. If I had a 6 day tour I would have 3 off. Assume that sched said I had 7 days off till the begenning of my next tour. But of course that could change, but I'm actually sick, so I start callin in sick when I've been home 4 days after my previous tour. DNIF on my days off #4,5,6,and 7. Now tomorrow is the begenning of my 7 day tour and I call in well. I would not be charged for my 4 sick days? And I could be on for my 7 day tour?

 

[Ultra Grump]

You should only DNIF on those "off" days if you called in the night before the 4th day off (non-required) and they told you the next day was a work day. Otherwise you're shooting yourself in the foot.

What I was saying was if the company wants to jerk you around on the extended day by calling the other days "days off," you should then get those sick days back. You would also have to decide if you want to file a grievance over the company retroactively calling those days "off" days. What's more important to you - sick days in the bank or extended day cash in the bank?

 

[notaNJApilot]

how many sick days are you allowed per year?

 

[Majik]

12 (earn 1 per month)

 

[You're right]

This is the most pathetically sad discussion I've seen in a long time......

"but I was actually sick"......explains a whole lot fellas

 

[notaNJApilot]

imagine what goes on at the union message board!

 

[FLYLOW22]

There is no need to explain the definition of DNIF to non NJA pilots guys. Thake the discussion to the 1108 message board. You will get straight answers with non of the excess chatter.

 

[Fozzy]

This is the most pathetically sad discussion I've seen in a long time......

"but I was actually sick"......explains a whole lot fellas

Okay Dad.

 

[BOOYA]

This is the most pathetically sad discussion I've seen in a long time......

"but I was actually sick"......explains a whole lot fellas

Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Hey bud, just because your boyfriend wouldn't play with your tootsie roll last night doesn't give you any right for those comments

 

[You're right]

There is no need to explain the definition of DNIF to non NJA pilots guys. Thake the discussion to the 1108 message board. You will get straight answers with non of the excess chatter.

..... aka....cheat the company as much as possible, but don't do it in public view.

You know, my Grandpappy Lieber always used to say "Stealing, you'll go far in life. Actually, there is something funny about getting away with it." (he was a bad guy--long story) Ever feel that way "Flylow"?

 

[gunfyter]

..... aka....cheat the company as much as possible, but don't do it in public view.

You know, my Grandpappy Lieber always used to say "Stealing, you'll go far in life. Actually, there is something funny about getting away with it." (he was a bad guy--long story) Ever feel that way "Flylow"?

You seem not to have the reading comprehension abilities required to understand this post:

That may answer my other question I had. If I had a 6 day tour I would have 3 off. Assume that sched said I had 7 days off till the begenning of my next tour. But of course that could change, but I'm actually sick, so I start callin in sick when I've been home 4 days after my previous tour. DNIF on my days off #4,5,6,and 7. Now tomorrow is the begenning of my 7 day tour and I call in well. I would not be charged for my 4 sick days? And I could be on for my 7 day tour?​

The Reserve pilot is sick but guaranteed 3 days off. He is still sick after the 3 days but he has no idea if tomorrow is a work day. He calls in during the day and DNIFs to give scheduling the heads up in case they were planning on using him. After 4 days he is no longer sick.

So his question is... can scheduling keep him out 7 days after he already was charged 4 sick days?

And if they do keep him out does he get back his sick days or does he get charged the sick days and get awarded extended days?


You owe this pilot an apology.

 

[FamilyGuy]

You seem not to have the reading comprehension abilities required to understand this post.

Who are you? Yoda?

You owe this pilot an apology.

I don't think so. You're Right's observations are appropriate.

Discussing ways to work less than you committed to when hired and still try to get overtime is inappropriate. The fact they they do it on a public forum is even more reprehensible.

 

[gunfyter]

You do not seem to understand the post either.

This is not about working less.

Its about understanding how many days he is committed to.

What he should do is NOT call in sick for a day he does not know whether its a work day or a day off.

Then this won't be an issue. If you are not scheduled. Don't waste a sick day on your day off..

 

[You're right]

You seem not to have the reading comprehension abilities required to understand this post:

That may answer my other question I had. If I had a 6 day tour I would have 3 off. Assume that sched said I had 7 days off till the begenning of my next tour. But of course that could change, but I'm actually sick, so I start callin in sick when I've been home 4 days after my previous tour. DNIF on my days off #4,5,6,and 7. Now tomorrow is the begenning of my 7 day tour and I call in well. I would not be charged for my 4 sick days? And I could be on for my 7 day tour?​

LOL....okay Captain Pulitzer....

 

[gunfyter]

LOL....okay Captain Pulitzer....

What? I didn't put BOOYA's words in quotes?

You still owe him an apology.

All he wanted to know was what to do if he is sick and doesn't know whether he will be scheduled to work the next day.

And...

If he did call in and get charged 4 sick days... how many days may the company keep him out ... 3 or 7? And if he did stay out beyond 3 days does he get extended days pay for it?

Reasonable question and not at all what you accuse him of.

 

[notaNJApilot]

he must feel a bit sly about asking the question since he didn't call the CRC.

 

[gunfyter]

I've never called CRC... but

I don't know why he would ask here when he could just ask on the pilots website.

 

[FamilyGuy]

You do not seem to understand the post either.

This is not about working less.

Its about understanding how many days he is committed to.

What he should do is NOT call in sick for a day he does not know whether its a work day or a day off.

Then this won't be an issue. If you are not scheduled. Don't waste a sick day on your day off..

Either you are sick or you are not.

All the rest of this talk is just a smokescreen to obscure the fact that people are trying to minimize time worked and maximize dollars paid.

So much for an honest days work for an honest days pay.

 

[Ultra Grump]

No, it's not about that at all. It's about getting the schedule, sick days, days off, or extended days the company committed to when they agreed to the current CBA. You seem to think that Booya is a liar and is not actually sick. What proof do you have of this? If you have none, then yes you (Family Guy and You're Right) owe him an apology for calling him a liar, thief, and/or cheat, and should then shut up. Have you ever heard of libel, slander, and defamation?

 

[You're right]

Have you ever heard of libel, slander, and defamation?

No, but I have seen DNIF rates for the "Fab 20" going up by 5-10%......

 

[gunfyter]

Either you are sick or you are not.

All the rest of this talk is just a smokescreen to obscure the fact that people are trying to minimize time worked and maximize dollars paid.

So much for an honest days work for an honest days pay.

That right. he was SICK. 4 days. Then goes out on duty. His question is this.

Since tours are 7 days max long. Is he done after 3 more days? Or can the company keep him out beyond that time since he was ACTUALLY sick and not on duty the first 4 days?

The answer is NO... He is done after the 4 DNIF and 3 duty days.


And since he is a new guy here... he is wondering ... what if they do keep me out or i volunteer to stay out? Are the days following 4 sick and 3 duty days extended days or normal days? And if they are normal days -- Do I get back my sick days?

To some people trying to understand this it may seem like a LIMO AREA. Especially a new guy.


If you go back and read the original question, you will see that what is meant by ACTUALLY -- does not refer to whether or not he is ILL. It refers to whether or not the DNIF days count toward the maximum of 7 days he can spend on a tour.

The answer is YES they do. There are NO LIMO Areas.

You have TOTALLY misinterpreted the question originally asked and you owe an apology.


Its "actually" an OUTRAGEOUS Insult....
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[higgy]

Either you are sick or you are not.

All the rest of this talk is just a smokescreen to obscure the fact that people are trying to minimize time worked and maximize dollars paid.

So much for an honest days work for an honest days pay.

Family Guy. Dont take this the worng way. But who in the hell are you??? And why do you care what pilots are talking about??? Or does Netjets actually pay you to browse thsi website?? Maybe I could get the Union to pay me to sit around and browse managment message boards.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Here's an interesting take on the cost of honesty and integrity.

Met a guy today who's friend owns a dollar store:
The store owner budgets a certain % of the daily cash flow to theft from the tellers. Everyone who works as a cashier for him steals money.

His freind thought this was crazy, and asked him why he didn't fire them. The owner explains that if he fires them, then the next person he hires as a cashier steals the money also.

With the type of person he is able to hire with his budget, virtually 100% of the candidates will steal money, so it's cheaper to keep them than to pay excessive job search and training costs every time he would have to fire/hire someone.

I assume that if he paid them enough, he would get a "class" of person who wouldn't steal, but their pay would be so high it wouldn't make sense economically. So, he goes with the low paid stealers and retains them.

I would never have thought this made sense at all, but it does seem to in this specific economic situation.

cliff
YIP

PS-If I had a day off, I would never call in sick-what's the point?...you're already off and not working for the company.

PPS-I HATE! calling in sick, and have been sick numerous times and not called in, hoping I could make it through the flight or, I wouldn't get called (I'm on permanent reserve).

 

[BOOYA]

Wow! I thought this was a simpler question than what it turned out being.

A brief of the answers:

A1 Don't call in sick unless you are going to get a brief for some type of duty

A2 Calling in sick is stealing and dishonest. Shoot! I guess I may as well just be stealing booze out of the locker.

A3 Some people don't like to be dishonest, and since being dishonest is calling in sick, never call in sick.

hahahaha! Wonderful!

Thanks for all of those who gave me some answers to my questions.

Cya!

PS I hate being sick

PPS Not a big fan of calling in sick either, however one thing I hate more is sharing close quarters to someone who is sick. The honest person would call in sick if he/she is so the company will have some advance warning, or I'll call in sick when the pax arrive at 6am in the morning so I don't get charged a sick day. Did I mention I hate being sick? The choice is yours

 

[pilotpat]

I may not work at NJ (yet)...but man! I know where NOT to ask any questions. The guy asked a simple question and people immediately jump on his case for trying to "cheat" the company. How sad. Grow up and get off your kit built soap boxes. At least some of you guys were good enough to answer the guy's question. Hell ~ seemed like the 2nd question was only a hypothetical anyway.

 

[gunfyter]

It s not a matter of calling in Sick when one is not sick.

On the Reserve Schedule you may be called out and used for a maximum 7 days straight.


A depiction on the monthly schedule would look like this after you worked 7 days.

X X X X X X X


But if you are sick on your first day and for the next 3 days. Then go out on day 5 through 7... the calendar looks like this

S S S S X X X.


The purpose of the question was this. What if the company keeps you out beyond that Day 7? Can they do this since he was ACTUALLY sick (and not ACTUALLY on the road the first 4 days). Is it an overtime Extended day? Or a normal day?

The question had nothing to do with calling in sick if one is not sick.

There are those who ACCUSE the this person of being a thief for trying to understand this. I assume the reason they make this accusation is because they possess poor reading comprehension skills.

 

[netjetwife]

Absolutely, there are fine points in the NJ pilots' contract that can get confusing. That's just one of the reasons there are Union Stewards. I encourage the NJ pilots to call the Steward on Duty and/or the Steward's Line if you need help with a contractual issue. They will be glad to help you. Not to knock the help that GF and others were giving--I'm all for camaraderie--but in the interest of getting a faster answer and the ball rolling on solving a problem if additional help is required, I recommend giving the Stewards a call.

The Steward on Duty program is a good example of the company realizing that the union and management share common interests and can work together for the good of all involved. The SOD program is quite successful. The Stewards (most, not all) take turns spending a 7 day tour at CMH (it's mandated in the contract, no less) to provide on the spot guidance for the pilots and a point of contact for the company on the ever-increasing joint projects. The advantages of an organized pilot group extend far beyond the contract table. I see positive signs that NJA is getting that message. NJW