NetJet's Contract

[Magneto]

I was just reading an article about NetJets that was about 2 years old and they talked about working on a new contract. I did a search in the forum but couldn't get a couple of questions answered. Can someone help?

1. Did they sign a contract and if so what was accomplished?

2. How does NetJets compare to the other fractionals?

3. Do they prefer to hire former 121 or 135 pilots?

Thanks for your help.

 

[LR45JI]

1. Did they sign a contract and if so what was accomplished?

* Negotiations are ongoing - 2.5 years. Now in mediated neg., completion is anyones guess but most anticipate something within a year.

2. How does NetJets compare to the other fractionals?

* You will get MANY opinons on this question. No right answer but probably have more job security at NetJets than any other fracional.

3. Do they prefer to hire former 121 or 135 pilots?

* NetJets has the largest mixing pool of pilots I've ever seen!! There doesn't seem to be any preference given to any particular type of flying. No hiring right now but I expect to see hiring start in mid/late summer.

 

[Live4flyng]

There is a rumor that the new President of NJA wants the contract done by this summer. I also heard a rumor from a reliable source that they have already geared up to start hiring again, and that will more than likely begin this summer.

In my opinion, if the contract is substandard, hiring at NJA will resume at a record pace following the mass exodus.

 

[flexlrpilot357]

What happened to the Falcon 2000 program managers and check airmen?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

just curious..

mass exodus to where?

I know there a few good jobs out there....but its still a tight market...

grass is always greener right?

 

[Live4flyng]

mass exodus to where?

I knew someone would ask this question after I posted. Believe it or not, NJA loses about 1 pilot a week. Some quit and find other professions, some go fly for private individuals, and others go to the Majors. That's right, SWA and JetBlue are hiring pilots and have been taking them from NJA since last year. SO, "the grass can be greener on the other side", just depends on your vision. But don't worry, NJA pilots won't vote YES on garbage. The longer it takes, the more they want.

 

[TailDraggerTed]

An article I read about netjets in AIN said they have thousands of pilots. Losing one a week doesn't sound that bad.

 

[Schrode]

Good or bad, I don't know - the "mass exedus" will probably happen as soon as the contract goes into effect. Retro checks being the primary reason. A lot of guys flying after year 60 want to retire - just want a little boost before they do. Some want greener grass and the retro helps them get there - no retro, well, NetJets will need a WHOLE lot of pilots!

Either way, the target pilot group is 5,000. Considering the number at 1,800 now, hiring will boom depending upon training availability.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

no really, no joking here...

I can see old guys just retiring as they no doubt have pensions from previous jobs...but a mass exodus??

where ya goin? to all the other openings in corp avaition??....well, those a few are far between these days...who is hiring? regional airlines? will guys go there?? (I dont know..)

really - great luck to you. much better pay is deserved. But BH runs a very lean money making company - they will look at how much NJ makes them, how much pay raises will cost, and go from there.

good luck!

 

[Schrode]

So far I haven't heard of anyone (with reasonable time) at NetJets having "trouble" finding new jobs. Many already do work for charter operators. Seems like a high demand for a high time CE750 and G200 guys. Word on the street says HR is providing all kinds of information to SWA . . . and SWA is hiring. Where ya been?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

guess Im living under a rock.

I didnt know there was a big demand for corp pilots right now!

good to hear!

 

[niteflyr]

I know several pilots I have talked to are just waiting for the call from Southwest and/or JetBlue. They are debating wether to stay with NJA for the new contract or go for the airline lifestyle now. Guess if and when the contract is done they will all see if they made the right choice. Just because they are flying a corporate jet now they are far from limited to corporate jobs.

 

[Skaz]

if the target group is 5000 and there are 1800 guys now, thats alot of positions to fill. Any idea of the time period this hiring target is going to be over? The number of guys in the pool now, the number of new hires per month and for how long?

Ive heard that the salaries at this company are also not that great, any idea if itl improve with the new contract?

cheers

 

[Schrode]

Will the salary scale improve with the next contract. Humm. I'd say, YES. Salary, along with Scope and Retro are the most talked about subjects on the road. I expect to see NetJets, by far, the best paid in the fractional arena. In fact, I'd bet my JOB on it! Because I am.

 

[Skaz]

lets try this again how does NJ salary at $ 28 000 p.a. (read this somewhere) compare to the other operators like Flight Options, Citationshares, and um....Flexjet! ?

Anybody have any info on Privatair? Those guys have a huge operation, but seem very tight lipped about employment and requirements, cant get the info anywhere?

 

[Schrode]

Actually, I think Options and Flex pay more than NetJets. They are good companies, although the whole fractional ownership program is going thru growing pains.

Just do your homework. Look at potential, growth and stability. I did this (as I built hours to the minimums) and by far NetJets stood out. You just can't beat being backed by Berkshire Hathaway (NetJets, Flight Safety, GIECO, Dairy Queen, Outback, Coke a Cola, Fiji water, and Waren Buffett himself) and the investors (owners) feel the same way. We have 1800+ pilots and soon to grow with 350+ jets with 200 on order. With 4-5 pilots per airframe, you can see the growth potential (say seniority number).

Good luck.

 

[CE750Driver]

Scrode, where are you getting those numbers. 350 airplanes, yes if you count NJI and EJM. Neither of those are Teamster pilots. So they really dont count in that number. Just looked at the list of NJA airplanes last month, something like 260 or around that. I think 5000 is a bit of an over estimation also. Lets say we just about double in size in the next 5 years, thats a little less than 4000 needed, and I dont think NJA can expand that much. The days of growing at moronic rates are over for the fractionals I would guess.

 

[CE750Driver]

Touche! Had the same list as you but skipped a line adding it up. Either way, 5000 pilots at NJA alone, seems like a stretch.

 

[NJA Capt]

The "total" original orders for NJA (EJA/EJI only) was 1012. At 5 pilots/plane you would get 5000 pilots. One thing marketing didn't publish in those figures were aircraft "retirements." So theoretically we would never have 1000 aircraft at one time.

 

[Skaz]

I'm a bit out of touc hhere, hopefully you guys can clear things up for me.
please define:

Retro?
NJA
EJA
EJI

thanks

 

[Schrode]

Retro=Retroactive pay to begining of contract netgotiations 2.5 years ago. Say $$$

NJA=NetJets Aviation Inc. - Large pilot goup (1800+), Unionized through Teamsters, operates CE560, CE560XL, CE650, CE750, H800, H1000, G200, F2000, Boeing Business Jet. Future operations of Sovigern, and Hawker 400XP.

EJI (Changed name to NJI two years ago) NJI=NetJets International - Small pilot group (250+), Non-Union, operates GIV, GIVsp, GV.

EJM=Executive Jet Management - Size of pilot group directly related to size of managed aircraft fleet. - Non-Union, contract pilots (not sure on exact specifics) - operates many different aircraft types and fleets, again, depends upon contracts.

hope this helps.

 

[Skaz]

ooh right...cash! well, thats definately going to be a bone of contention between the pilots and management, especially if its backpay over 2.5 years!

I take it all these companies are not related ? Or is NJI and NJA owned by the same holding company or something?

Yeah it does help, thanks mate

 

[NJA Capt]

NetJets Aviation (NJA) and NetJets International (NJI) and Executive Jet Management (EJM) are all divisions of NetJets, Inc.

Seamless operations with separate pilot groups and separate FAR 135 certificates. All three groups do International flights. Not just NJI.

 

[Skaz]

Thank you, that helps clear things up.
If there are these three 'companies' are all sub-divisions of a larger company, does that mean the pilot groups are all on differently negotiated, or set, contracts, with different payscales, rostering, leave, benefits etc?

If so, why? Sounds kinda like Cathay having different standards for the freight and pax guys...

I understand that they operate different fleets, are there any movement of crews between the companies?

thanks

 

[NJA Capt]

...does that mean the pilot groups are all on differently negotiated, or set, contracts, with different payscales, rostering, leave, benefits etc?

Yes

...are there any movement of crews between the companies?

No

Like I said above....We operate on separate charter certificates.

 

[davis]

Maybe a new mec?

Look you guys have to wake up. They ve fed you what you wanted to hear for 2.5 years.
Your mec has done NADA. If they represented a major they wouldve been gone long ago.
Nothing personal but you guys pay dues and have received nothing but a bunch of
used car salesman type briefings.

Where is the WS Journal add informing the public on the 39000 jet cpt or the
informal picketing or the black listing of the extended people?
meanwhile boisture is neg. to close all the gateways and have you guys drive to 5 regional hubs.

Nice work MEC get with it or get out!

 

[Flex]

Hmm. I'm not sure about the gateway closures, but the rest of what you said makes you sound like another disgruntled NJA pilot. Welcome to the club. Livin the dream.