Netjets Casino employees

[gern_blanston]

I don't follow this line of reason. Why would the company want to give us a "kick ass agreement" right after 9/11, when thousands of pilots were hitting the streets?

He meant a 'kick ass agreement' for the company, not the pilots. It seems a valid point. The company held all the cards at that time.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Too bad that doesn't pay the bills.

$100,000 doesnt pay your bills? What is your lifestyle Diesel that you can pay your bills with that kind of money?

It sounds to me like you've fallen into that common trap of confusing WANTS with NEEDS.

There are hundreds of people here in the casino that make a third of that and are able to pay their bills every month.

If I had that kind of money I could afford 2 homes, fund my 401k and IRA's for my wife and I, and put the kids in private school.

Maybe you should consider a class on budgeting. To get you started, take a look at all of your current monthly expenses....the first thing I'd look at is those union dues...how much does that set you back? One pound of flesh or two?

Maybe that's the real reason why $100k isnt enough...the union dues are too high. Maybe you should take a look at how much of your dues are going to fund these teamsters salaries....

http://www.tdu.org/_100_000_Club_2004.pdf

 

[Elevator 2]

$100,000 doesnt pay your bills? What is your lifestyle Diesel that you can pay your bills with that kind of money?

It sounds to me like you've fallen into that common trap of confusing WANTS with NEEDS.

There are hundreds of people here in the casino that make a third of that and are able to pay their bills every month.

If I had that kind of money I could afford 2 homes, fund my 401k and IRA's for my wife and I, and put the kids in private school.

Maybe you should consider a class on budgeting. To get you started, take a look at all of your current monthly expenses....the first thing I'd look at is those union dues...how much does that set you back? One pound of flesh or two?

Maybe that's the real reason why $100k isnt enough...the union dues are too high. Maybe you should take a look at how much of your dues are going to fund these teamsters salaries....

http://www.tdu.org/_100_000_Club_2004.pdf

And the drama continues.... welcome to the dollhouse.

 

[abenaki]

1) I don't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what anyone at Bridgeway thinks of me or this pilot group....and therefore, I don't give **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what you have to say on this board. You don't pay my bills, you aren't responsible for putting my kids through school, making my car payments and you sure as he..ll have no right to make a determination as to what a reasonable salary is for ME in mY profession.

BB makes a reported $1.2 million a year! And that doesn't include his free flying on NJA aircraft whenever he wants. Why don't you go tell HIM what is reasonable for him to make!

2) Unless you are FULLY informed as to backgrounds of each and every pilot here, the background of this industry, the commonly used union busting tactics that BB and his minions are using, what it took to achieve the positions that we have in terms of training, experience and education as professional pilots, the job that we do every day to make this place run, and a DETAILED understanding of the history of these negotiations starting four years ago, then you have no place in commenting on what actions we take to achieve what we think is best for us and our families.

2) This same sort of nonsensical bickering has occurred time and time again in the history of contractual negotiations with people outside the group who are engaged in the fight, telling those doing the fighting what/when/why/where and how they are wrong wrong wrong about everything. This is a waste of time and energy for all involved. The management moles on here have no clue as to the uselessness of their efforts. Quite the contrary, they may actually be hurting their "cause" because of the ignorant posts they make.

3) If you are too nai've not to understand the propaganda/spin and outright lies told by the company in the course of these events, then I suggest that you read I WAS A UNION BUSTER.....you will find that everything being said to you and to the union by the company and "Bridgeway Bob" is right out of the tactics outlined in that book. The problem is management is too silly stupid to understand that by employing such tactics, they are simply unifying the group more and more. It was all a suprise at one point in history, but once you've seen the play run a few times, it looses it effectiveness and ends up costing you yards. Such tactics unified the pilot groups at other airlines and in some cases it cost the airlines dearly.

4) And while getting into the specific arguments on here is something I LOATHE to do, I will address one simply out of it's completely warped rationale as an illustration as to the ignorant level of posts on here by those who are trying to tell others what is best for them....

Family Guy said the following:

"$100,000 doesnt pay your bills?.....If I had that kind of money I could afford 2 homes, fund my 401k and IRA's for my wife and I, and put the kids in private school"......

Please explain to me Family Guy how you could do all of the above on $100K a year? I would be interested......

$100K a year translates into about 60K a year with taxes and 401K contributions. My check is about 60% of gross.....so, just for sake of argument, I'll chip in another 12K and make it 72K a year take home.....

Now, please explain to me how you are going to have two homes and put your kids in private school on 6k a month? Are we talking two single wides here? And by private school you mean kindergarten? The private school where I live is about $18k a year......what's yours? My kids go to public school......

Please outline a budget for me where you can do all of that on 6k a month in take home pay. Car payments? Food? Utilities? Clothes? Property taxes? Insurances? Medical expenses? Entertainment? Braces? Tuitions? Fee? Books? Travel? Vacation? Gas? Maintenance?

That's the problem with these discussions. They are ignorant.

Buh bye now...

 

[FAcFriend]

If bridgeway bob is such a good communicator why doesnt the union hire him to communicate your message??

 

[Elevator 2]

If bridgeway bob is such a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** good communicator why doesnt the union hire him to communicate your message??

And the drama continues.... welcome to the dollhouse.

 

[FamilyGuy]

1) I don't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what anyone at Bridgeway thinks of me or this pilot group....and therefore, I don't give **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what you have to say on this board. You don't pay my bills, you aren't responsible for putting my kids through school, making my car payments and you sure as he..ll have no right to make a determination as to what a reasonable salary is for ME in mY profession.

BB makes a reported $1.2 million a year! And that doesn't include his gree flying on NJA aircraft whenever he wants. Why don't you go tell HIM what is reasonable for him to make!

2) Unless you are FULLY informed as to backgrounds of each and every pilot here, the background of this industry, the commonly used union busting tactics that BB and his minions are using, what it took to achieve the positions that we have in terms of training, experience and education as professional pilots, the job that we do every day to make this place run, and a DETAILED understanding of the history of these negotiations starting four years ago, then you have no place in commenting on what actions we take to achieve what we think is best for us and our families.

2) This same sort of nonsensical bickering has occurred time and time again in the history of contractual negotiations with people outside the group who are engaged in the fight, telling those doing the fighting what/when/why/where and how they are wrong wrong wrong about everything. This is a waste of time and energy for all involved. The management moles on here have no clue as to the uselessness of their efforts. Quite the contrary, they may actually be hurting their "cause" because of the ignorant posts they make.

3) If you are too nai've not to understand the propaganda/spin and outright lies told by the company in the course of these events, then I suggest that you read I WAS A UNION BUSTER.....you will find that everything being said to you and to the union by the company and "Bridgeway Bob" is right out of the tactics outlined in that book. The problem is management is too silly stupid to understand that by employing such tactics, they are simply unifying the group more and more. It was all a suprise at one point in history, but once you've seen the play run a few times, it looses it effectiveness and ends up costing you yards. Such tactics unified the pilot groups at other airlines and in some cases it cost the airlines dearly.

4) And while getting into the specific arguments on here is something I LOATHE to do, I will address one simply out of it's completely warped rationale as an illustration as to the ignorant level of posts on here by those who are trying to tell others what is best for them....

Family Guy said the following:

"$100,000 doesnt pay your bills?.....If I had that kind of money I could afford 2 homes, fund my 401k and IRA's for my wife and I, and put the kids in private school"......

Please explain to me Family Guy how you could do all of the above on $100K a year? I would be interested......

$100K a year translates into about 60K a year with taxes and 401K contributions. My check is about 60% of gross.....so, just for sake of argument, I'll chip in another 12K and make it 72K a year take home.....

Now, please explain to me how you are going to have two homes and put your kids in private school on 6k a month? Are we talking two single wides here? And by private school you mean kindergarten? The private school where I live is about $18k a year......what's yours? My kids go to public school......

Please outline a budget for me where you can do all of that on 6k a month in take home pay. Car payments? Food? Utilities? Clothes? Property taxes? Insurances? Medical expenses? Entertainment? Braces? Tuitions? Fee? Books? Travel? Vacation? Gas? Maintenance?

That's the problem with these discussions. They are ignorant.

Buh bye now...

If you dont think our opinions are important why do you pass out your educational materials to us at work?

If you dont think our opinions are important why do you start threads aimed at us entitled "NetJets Casino employees"?

I agree with you that these discussions are ignorant and unnecessary. Go back and read my previous posts. I've always said that these discussions have no place or purpose on a public board.

Everyone should let the appointed representatives of the union and the company negotiate an agreement behind closed doors. It should not be debated here.

 

[Some Dude]

Once again Family Guy has NO SOLUTIONS TO NJA PROBLEMS. Just blame the pilots. When you go out and get the training and experience that I have you can ask for 100,000. When you put your job on the line every day. When you get the job done safely and on time then you can ask for that kind of money. Yet you are still scared to talk about the facts. Or you just don't know the facts. So shut your pie hole. If you don't make that kind of money then that is your fault. Maybe put in for a VP job you sound perfect for it. Clueless and jealous.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Once again Family Guy has NO SOLUTIONS TO NJA PROBLEMS. Just blame the pilots. When you go out and get the training and experience that I have you can ask for 100,000. When you put your job on the line every day. When you get the job done safely and on time then you can ask for that kind of money. Yet you are still scared to talk about the facts. Or you just don't know the facts. So shut your pie hole. If you don't make that kind of money then that is your fault. Maybe put in for a VP job you sound perfect for it. Clueless and jealous.

I have no problem with you making $100k. You've earned it. I've chosen my path in life and I'm happy with it. I wish you guys could say the same.

I also agree that you deserve a raise. I've never disputed that.

My only concern is the way you are going about it. This scorched earth policy that you seem to be following is just going to create ill will between you, the company, the rest of us employees, and our fellow aviators in the 135 community. There has to be a better way.

 

[Elevator 2]

I have no problem with you making $100k. You've earned it. I've chosen my path in life and I'm happy with it. I wish you guys could say the same.

I also agree that you deserve a raise. I've never disputed that.

My only concern is the way you are going about it. This scorched earth policy that you seem to be following is just going to create ill will between you, the company, the rest of us employees, and our fellow aviators in the 135 community. There has to be a better way.

And the drama continues.... welcome to the dollhouse.