Netjets Casino employees

[sikntired]

Familyguy,
Why do you have such an insatiable need for information? Are you being paid by Netjets management to engage a few pilots in a "debate"? Piss 'em off & get 'em to spill?
Just wondering.

I'm sikntired

 

[FamilyGuy]

Familyguy,
Why do you have such an insatiable need for information? Are you being paid by Netjets management to engage a few pilots in a "debate"? Piss 'em off & get 'em to spill?
Just wondering.

I'm sikntired

Simple, I've invested many years of my life here at Executive Jet/NetJets and I hate to see a great company ruined because people are arguing over the size of a raise....

There are thousands of pilots and other aviation people out on the streets right now wishing they were in our shoes and all we can seem to do is argue.

Personally, I dont want to see any of this discussed on a public board. It is embarrassing and serves no purpose. The union and the company should negotiate behind closed doors and not air our dirty laundry in public.

 

[Some Dude]

Once again "Family Guy and Fred" won't acknowledge the fact that the FLIGHT CREWS are always at the top of customer satisfaction surveys.

The OWNERS ALWAYS RANK THE FLIGHT CREWS AS HIGHLY PROFEESIONAL AND COMPETENT. No other department comes close to that level of customer satisfaction. Once again they fail or cannot deny the facts of my posts. They try to deflect the truth.

You want professionalism. We have it. I have been intrusted with the safety of the former President of the United States and his family including the current President and his family. I think that speaks volumes about NJA flight crews and the level of professionalism displayed every day. I see people at the casino working their butts off only to be led down the wrong path by clueless management. I really feel sorry for them.

Why don't you offer solutions to fix NJA problems? The flight crews offer real world solutions every single day. Yet not one of you have the balls to take on the facts.

Well I'm waiting...........

 

[FAcFriend]

That was also working a 6 & 4 schedule to get that number. About 38 more work days per year. /I]


Ok, I thought I included the additional work days in the 15 k. But I was wrong. You and another pilot pointed that out to me.

The additional work days cannot be figured in at 15k you have to really count 16k but to be safe we will figure 17k. 17k x 2000 pilots = 34,000,000.00 dollars

ok, so 106-17k = 89k at 5 year captain. What does a 5 year captain make today?


(I edited this post because I looked at the figure again.)

 

[FamilyGuy]

Once again "Family Guy and Fred" won't acknowledge the fact that the FLIGHT CREWS are always at the top of customer satisfaction surveys.

The OWNERS ALWAYS RANK THE FLIGHT CREWS AS HIGHLY PROFEESIONAL AND COMPETENT. No other department comes close to that level of customer satisfaction. Once again they fail or cannot deny the facts of my posts. They try to deflect the truth.

You want professionalism. We have it. I have been intrusted with the safety of the former President of the United States and his family including the current President and his family. I think that speaks volumes about NJA flight crews and the level of professionalism displayed every day. I see people at the casino working their butts off only to be led down the wrong path by clueless management. I really feel sorry for them.

I'm sorry, when did I ever fail to "acknowledge the fact that the FLIGHT CREWS are always at the top of customer satisfaction surveys"?

Go back and read my posts. I've never stated that the flight crews have failed to be professional when dealing with our owners.

You must have been confused when I made the following statement:

From my perspective, the union is taking the low road and management is taking the high road by repeatedly complimenting the pilot group on its professionalism and never degrading them in public. This is in sharp contrast with the unions approach. As Boisture has said in the roundtable meetings - its about treating people with respect. I just dont see that from the union.

All I have seen is management falling all over themselves to tell you guys how 'professional' you are.

My point is that you could benefit by exhibiting some of that professionalism in your negotiation tactics and style.

Why don't you offer solutions to fix NJA problems? The flight crews offer real world solutions every single day. Yet not one of you have the balls to take on the facts.

Well I'm waiting...........

Are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else? That must be what's happening here, because if you've read my posts you'll see that I've already made the following statement:

I've seen a lot of people make cost saving suggestions. Some have been implemented and money saved. Other times the person making the suggestion did not know all of the details and once they were filled in on the 'bigger picture' they realized that their suggestion wouldnt be the best choice. The important point is that the management was open to suggestions and gave us feedback, yes or no, that the ideas would work....then they acted on the good ones.

I've worked a lot of jobs and this is the most open environment I've seen to suggestions from the employees. Is it perfect? No, but what company is?

 

[FAcFriend]

oops guys answering my own questions and for everyone else:


This is post #93 from another thread:

-------CAPT/yr------F/O
YR 1 36K 27K
YR 2 40K 28K
YR 3 47K 29K
YR 4 56K 30K
YR 5 60K 32K
YR 8 70K 32K
YR 12 88K 32K

You have to stay there at while to get the $70K to $90K mentioned before. Source Airline Pilot Central rounded to a yearly wage.__________________

so 60k is what a 5 yr captain makes today and you were offered a 106 less benefits ( benefits include both time and traditional benefits) of 17k for about 89k.

The one thing this does do- which I would hate is spread all the OT etc around to everyone.

I am piecing things together from this board- but does everyone agree that basically this is where you are today-

 

[FredGarvin]

Must be really tough to squeeze into that small cockpit with such a big ego.

I've seen your light.

Let me summarize....

If we just got rid of all the clueless management and all the dumbasses in fort fumble, take all those wasted salaries and paid the pilots more everything would fall into place. Just planes and pilots, that’s all we really need. After all being HIGHLY PROFEESIONAL AND COMPETENT they can take care everything else, they already do.

That is a real world solution.

 

[Diesel]

All I have seen is management falling all over themselves to tell you guys how 'professional' you are.

Too bad that doesn't pay the bills.

 

[Some Dude]

Once again Fred, provide some solutions. You still haven't. The OWNERS rate us the highest on the surveys. The Union has saved the company millions of dollars with real solutions. We also fill out waste management reports to help the company identify areas where they can save money. What have you done? Keep deflecting the facts that won't solve anything. Maybe you are one of the clueless in management.

 

[Hogprint]

FamilyGuy, I respectfully disagree...

And I still dont buy this argument that the company has stalled on this for three years. If the old MEC was a bunch of company stooges that gave the company everything they wanted and 9/11 has just occurred - throwing thousands of pilots out on the street, why wouldnt the Company immediately press for a kick-ass agreement in favor of the company? They were holding all the cards....why not drive the dagger home and get everything they wanted (like the legacy carrier managements are currently doing)?

I don't follow this line of reason. Why would the company want to give us a "kick ass agreement" right after 9/11, when thousands of pilots were hitting the streets? The laws of supply and demand kicked in, and now not only could the company pick and choose from 5000 hr plus experience , but we had a stack of resumes up to the roof over at Poth Rd (kind of shoots that "you knew what you were getting into theory " to bits). People were looking for flying jobs (and lowering standards) to keep food on the table.

IMO, the union didnt want to do a deal during 2002-2003 simply because the economy sucked and they wouldnt be able to get what they wanted.....so they waste time going over every single article in the contract and bide their time until the economy turns around. Then they start to kick up a fuss, complaining as loudly and widely as they can about the injustice of waiting 1300 days.

I don't disagree with this. The former MEC made quite a few mistakes, but you still can't overlook the companys role in dragging this out to this point. They are benifiting in the short term with this plan. My fear (and it has been voiced on both sides of this debate on this board) is that it will be far from benificial in the long term.

Take your own advice Hogprint and read between the lines....the union was stringing this whole deal out waiting for better economic times to bargain....[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I will continue to read between the lines, look at this from every angle, and try to educate myself during this process.

This is a first for the fractionals. Don't know about corporate, but everyone is tuning in to see what happens. BOS approch control asked me the other day, what was going to happen on the 24th! They sent us their support!

Point is whichever way this thing goes, it will have far reaching impact on the industry.