NetJets' Captains need to get over themselves!

[Porter]

Sparticus, you didn't get it. That was a little sarcasm, dorky or not. Read it again. The quotations define it as sarcasm.

Anyway, sounds like you are one of the 5% and part of the problem. You wouldn't "LET" me fly pax because of a "dorky" statement. WOW.

Also, I never mentioned seat swapping. I'm talking about flying every other leg from your assigned seat. Not from the left seat.

Also, telling someone to "STFU" when they are expressing a legitimate concern once again goes right to the heart of the matter. Man I hope I never have to fly with you. And no I am not on the G200.

One of the "dorks" "We" make fun of. "Perhaps I am not as smooth as I think I am???". I won't defend this statement because it doesn't deserve it. Once again you paint yourself as the EXACT type I am talking about.

Also, your assumption that new hires at NJ need to be "reprogrammed" sounds like your way of saying that none of us new what we were doing before we learned the "real" way to fly at NJ. Get over yourself.

 

[Porter]

The PIC's at NJA are nothing like you suggest, I know because I am one.

How very humble of you. I stand utterly corrected.

 

[skyaddict]

Strange- it sounds like a fleet specific issue and bad luck in your start day's cohort? Once I met the minimums for time in type for pax legs, it has *never* been an issue with the scores of Captains I have flown with. Almost all have alternated legs with me, and many have asked if that's ok with me in case I do end up with the stubby ferry legs. But usually, 60% of legs are so are pax so it ends up mixing up even then i.e. sometimes I get all the pax legs.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Wow! These problems are exactly why I don't work at Net Jets. That and maybe the fact that I didn't get hired the first time .

If you really need to fly passenger legs so bad I suggest going to Flight Options. We usually swap in and out of the left seat every other day. Oh, but then there is the other pesky problems of being the lowest paid, still fighting with management for our first contract, etc...

I'm not sure what your previous job was, but I think you have lost perspective that you now have one of the best flying jobs. Chill out, have fun, take your big paycheck home. Most of us on the outside would be glad to have your problems. You will get to be the boss someday...

 

[o2bflyn]

If you confronted me with this kind of rant I probably would not let you fly either. I understand what you are saying but I think you are go at it all wrong.

Maybe the Captains have seen something in your flying that they don't like. Ask them. "Hey is there something I have done wrong?" You m ay find if you confront them in a professional manner, they may just give you a chance.

Believe me, I know that there are Captains that are out there that think they are the next Chuck Yeager. My advice would be to play into their ego. "Hey man, what do I need to work on so I can fly more legs?"

For the record, if you walked onto my airplane with only a few months experience and I had not flown with you. I would not let you fly passengers either at first. Show me you can fly the airplane first then I'll let you embarrass yourself with passengers.

 

[rettofly]

A/C Flown: Various
Ratings: Comm. CFI-I, MEI
Total Time: 5,000

What ratings does Porter hold? Just trying to figure out which fleet he's on.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Porter - try discussing the situation first with the PIC in a professional manner. If that doesn't work, then get in touch with Pro Standards.

 

[o2bflyn]

A/C Flown: Various
Ratings: Comm. CFI-I, MEI
Total Time: 5,000

What ratings does Porter hold? Just trying to figure out which fleet he's on.

I am sure it probably a typo, but why doe she/she not have a ATP....

 

[jegermeister]

Relax, you're making more as an f/o than most regional guys and most of the f/o's at the majors.

If the guys you're flying with have to do everything, look at it as another pay raise (divide work by pay).

Jeger

ps If you let this get to you, the next 5 years are going to be very difficult. Not to mention it will make you like the people you're flying with.

 

[Semore Butts]

The common thread here seems to be you Porter?

Never experienced anything like you are talking about. (Hawker)

When I started (2002), I always ask the pilot to let me run radios a couple legs to get a feel for how I operated. That let them get a look at how I operated.

We are a crew.

Something you are portraying is turning off your Cpt's.

Sounds like your ego is a little hurt because your not the "big cheese" anymore.

One day I'm a military Instructor Pilot, the next day I'm the most junior F.O.

Do you have a timeline of exactly how you think you should be treated?

Should we get rid of the seniority number system so you can be the Cpt when you think your ready?

Relax, enjoy your self. You should be very familiar about how we do business after 5 months on the line.

Have your Cpt's done any evaluation sheets on you?

What did they say?

 

[Pervis]

You're afraid to discuss this on the union web site because you're on probation? You openly admit you have not discussed this with these stuck up captains, but bitch about internal issues on a public forum? Your decision making and judgement are clearly lacking. Grow up.

 

[gutshotdraw]

WOW. Just......WOW.

With 10,000 resumes on file.....

 

[fischman]

CA1900 is 100% right on all counts.

Complaining on these boards accomplishes nothing except making you feel better. You need to bring this issue up on the NJASAP boards where you will get a larger audience to bring issue to your concern.

FYI, being on probation at NetJets doesn't mean ANYTHING except you can't file a disciplinary grievance. So if you punch an owner on the ramp and get fired, you are S.O.L. That also means you can ruffle some feathers without the fear of getting fired.

Time to man up and quit your complaining. There are literally thousands of qualified people applying for YOUR job. We hired you because we believed you would be a great leader. Now prove it.

 

[brokeflyer]

just fueling the fire by posting this HERE......

Man up and post this same thing at the union board.

 

[B727FA]

Easy for you to say RJ Bum. Still on probation and that won't happen until I am here a year.

There's no problem going to ProStan on probation or otherwise. I suspect it would be respected by your co-workers that you're keeping it within labor.

However, the issue is how many times will I have to do this?

Every time it occurs. Remember, if you haven't flown with the same CA twice, they also all haven't flown with you. If there is a pervasive issue, then you'll have to be equally persistent in addressing it.

With that in mind, good advise was proffered here and I wish you luck in addressing it.