Netjet Profit 143 million

[notaNJApilot]

hey NJW,
when you get carpal tunnel from all that typing, who are you going to sue - the company or the union?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

The point is that far too many people assume that the authorities--be it a Sheriff's Dept or managers of an aviation company--will do the right thing by them and their family.

So my boss the Chief Pilot is walking around with a gun and a badge? Why dont we just say that the local manager at McDonalds should be the town mayor... or the truck driver at UPS should be a CIA agent, or my wife the homemaker can be President of the NAACP. You have a major problem with people in positions of authority... that is unless that person is you. (Did you like Queen Mary the most when you studied History?)

So I join others who post here to try to warn the pilots who persist in blindly following morally bankrupt officials even in the face of broken promises.

I worked for Midway Airlines, best place I ever worked, and we went bankrupt... So I guess I was stupid for staying there according to your math. I was dumb and misguided for trying to make a great airline (with bad financial leaders) survive... Oh now I get it; when bad managers make bad corporate decisions I should show them I know best by making bad flying decisions and cost the company even more $$. Yeah, thats the ticket... NOT!

It all boils down to a determination to prevail and finding hope to persist in the face of great odds--whether we're talking about an individual's fight, or a group's struggle. Cheering on those involved in current battles for justice in no way diminishes those who fought for their rights in the past. On the contrary, I believe that anyone who has successfully fought an injustice would want their example to inspire others to make a stand in their own lives.

yeah, pilots in America are really taking it in the shorts aren't they. (scroll to the top of this webpage right now and read one of the 3 or 4 banners advertising for pilot positions, most with 600 or less total flying time). The toughest choice Ive made in the last 3 years is to buy the $600 or $800 stainless Bar-B-Q grill. Pilots on welfare (and I was one) are the ones just starting out in this business who get hosed by the more senior pilots who got hosed when they were the junior guy. Its called the food chain, and thank goodness I've worked my way up it a few notches. Ive got 20 or so neighbors; everyone of them would cut their left nutt off to have my job, my lifestyle, my benefits, etc. etc.

Fighting for justice is an American ideal that makes this country great and we should all uphold that tradition when circumstances make it necessary. I realize that the murder of a loved one seems surreal to many, (I know of 3 NJA pilots who faced this loss though) but then I bet many aviation families never thought they'd be the direct victims of corporate greed, either. Those who don't wish to read my posts can easily exercise their right to ignore them but what you call "ranting" has been seen as encouraging and/or interesting/insightful to others.

Are you writing a novel here? Sounds like a warped version of War and Peace... You'd make an excellent A.C.L.U. propagandist, or a P.E.T.A. lawyer.

Just because there are starving children elsewhere doesn't mean pilots in the U.S. should be satisfied with pay so low it qualifies them (or their peers) for govt assistance to feed the family. I don't think they compare themselves to people in other places in the world....

hope Im in heaven before you so I can see the look on your face when God reads your qoute back to you. You seem to have no problem ranking American Corporate greed at the top of the list, yet you clearly defend your right to have more to eat in a single day than a child living in Africa will eat in 3 weeks! Yeah, Im behind ya......NOT

Many pilots consider protracted battles over wages and working conditions to be quite a struggle and they appreciate expressions of support.

And many many more DONT see it like you do and laugh at your posts of "epic" struggles, and the "evil" empire. Here's a little clue Mrs. Your husband is paid a wage to do a job, period. He isnt anybody special (expect in the union hall where Im sure he's the big *ss kicking man on campus) Like me, he's blue collar labor. If a cockpit was a cab, he would be a truck driver, if a yoke was a hammer, he would be a carpenter; Get it? If you guys dont like the way the "OWNERS" and "MANAGERS" of NetJets run the company, leave! But you wont do that will you... Because he's making a wheel barrel full of $$$ every month for doing something he loves. How lucky is that!

I will continue to lend my moral support to those waiting for the wheels of justice to slowly turn in their favor.

And I will continue to call you out for the idiotic posts you make which are so full of blah blah crap and cry me a pool of tears junk, that its hard to see my computer screen from the steam coming off the pile of poop you leave on it! Every time I read your posts I pinch my nose and roll up my pant legs.

Here's some advice, go buy a Harley Davidson. I just bought a '07 Ultra Classic Electra Glide (US Army Patriot Edition) and it should be here in 2 weeks. I'll be thinking about how blessed I am to live in a country where I have the freedom of speech, healthcare for my family, great weather, and clean water while my wife and I ride around on that big fat hog! And I'll also be double greatful that I finally made it in aviation and can afford to have a few nice things. Because the US Army combined with flying a Gulfstream has taken me to many places where people are just trying to moisten their lips; much less get a #2 combo at Burger King. Think about it!


And while Im at it, why cant your friggin husband grow a pair and get on here and speak for himself. Or is that against official union policy?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Excellent post Diesel. You and many many other NJA pilots have the whole thing figured out. And thats why you have my support. Since the new contract, your union has really stepped up to the plate and the pilots are doing an excellent job. NetJets is clearly on track to "OWN" this business. And if the competition goes under.... well thats just business now isnt it.

 

[Diesel]

wolf please tell me you went with the 800 dollar unit?

Vermont Castings?

nice post btw. two different sides taking the same angle.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

Calling MGMT morally bankrupt is wrong, and no matter how many stories you hear or have people PM you, you have no place in saying that. There are a lot of good people upstairs who try to do the best with what they have. While I may disagree with a lot of them and their opinions, I realize they are trying to do what they think is best. What I think is best sometimes is different.

Thanks Diesel, I appreciate the comments.

 

[notaNJApilot]

Just a general idea to toss into the topic of profit - would it ever be possible to get a union and a company to develop some sort of profit sharing or service quality system? I think Fedex Express uses one for their package handlers, where employees are given bonuses based on performance metrics such as on time deliveries, damaged packages, injuries, etc. My 2 initial thoughts are that it would bring the union and the company together to fight as a whole for the bonuses, but also one side may feel they should get a bigger percentage of the money to split amongst their group. If NetJets continues to be profitable, then giving out bonuses to the workforce would "hide" some of the profit from the public [which may be useful as someone stated previously].

 

[Diesel]

Crewservicer. Everyone except you. . Quack quack.

Nnjpilut. We do have a profit sharing program. Ill just leave it at that.

 

[Ultra Grump]

We do have a profit sharing program. Ill just leave it at that.

Hehehe...

 

[netjetwife]

Diesel, I won't edit my post but I will clarify it for you. I regularly offer encouragement and warnings to pilots (union and non-union alike) that are presently fighting to achieve industry standards. If you think about it you will realize that the pilots being warned are the Flight Options pilots that still believe their management will take care of them even after jacking up their health care premiums outrageously on the policy that the company holds. I'm sure that the Flt Ops pilots can give lots more examples along the lines of raises that never came and better QOL promises that were continually broken. I know that the majority of NJ pilots are satisfied with the current CBA and I have posted recently about the progress being made on the joint union-company endeavors at NJA so it wasn't likely that I was referring to the current atmosphere at CMH... From talking to my husband I know that there are signs that NJA has come to accept the union and is beginning to realize the wisdom of working with them instead of against them.

You suggest that contract negotiations are "just business" but I disagree. Being a professional doesn't make one devoid of emotions; actually, many times strong reactions are needed to affect change. We all know that apathy causes lots of problems. It takes a very determined/stubborn group to dig in their heels and fight back. It wasn't until the NJ pilots got fed up and disgusted that things started changing for the better. The same applies to Options. Those who don't care don't get involved so it isn't just coincidence that the most dedicated also volunteer the most.

Negotiations are full of business discussions but the accompanying labor unrest is frequently referred to as an "emotional roller coaster." Experts warn union members not to be swayed by management instigated FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt, are definitely emotional reactions that are fought with feelings of unity and faith in one's cause. The business side of it is doing the research and organizing your arguments for parity in one's field. But to hold your ground takes a lot of confidence and the ability to remain optimistic in the face of discouragement. It's no accident that those most passionate about what they believe in have achieved the most, particularly when logic would say that the odds were not in their favor. This human element part of the equation can apply to many different struggles for justice whether it's a contract battle for professional wages or a family's legal fight to have a criminal punished. The recipe for success is the same: Don't give up; be willing to finance the fight; hire experts; make use of all available resources to leverage your position; and draw strength and hope from those who support your cause.

Not just a "cheerleader" for NJ pilots
NJW

PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO SHOULD BE COMPENSATED ACCORDINGLY

(Generalization was deliberate)

 

[wolfpackpilot]

It takes a very determined/stubborn group to dig in their heels and fight back. But to hold your ground takes a lot of confidence and the ability to remain optimistic in the face of discouragement.

You need to do a little research on a group of pilots from an airline called Comair, and another group called GoJets (both unionized work forces). Then come back and talk your fluff fluff rah rah "epic battles" of good and evil. You'll be singing a different tune once you know a little history.

What you dont realize is who I am. I spent almost 9 years within ALPA, at 3 airlines no less, as was heavily involved in 2 of them, one as an elected union official.... (So there, the cats out of the bag). So it is with great confidence and years of experience that I can say "Your full of sh*t lady".

NetJets pilots are in a totally different class of work as professional pilots go. They were grossly underpaid and the recent contract resolved that. There were scope clause issues which they wanted addressed, that happened too. They got what they wanted, now the company is getting what it wanted... a lean mean machine. You and your husband carry a grudge, use names, cant forget the past, wont forgive and forget... etc. etc. Get over it and move on. Enjoy the cash he makes and quit living inside a George Lucas Starwars episode!

And yes you are a cheerleader...