Net Jets to Furlough 500...??? Right...

[B19 Flyer]

Correction: to keep them from NEEDING TO. Had NJA actually wanted to furlough pilots they could have done so already like other frac companies have recently done. Your mention of generosity and cooperation, Gunfyter, are spot on.

We're seeing a high return on the investment of time and effort put into the Labor-Management partnership. Success in this joint venture will pay huge dividends in the future. The resultant increases in loyalty, trust, etc would be the silver lining in this economic cloud.

Glass, I like analogies and I think your's is a fitting one for the situation. It does, indeed, appear to be the methodology they're using. To continue your water theme...

The smooth sailing previously enjoyed by the NJ families has been disrupted by economic storms. We've hit rough waters and the USS NetJets has sprung a leak. Now is the time for all hands to grab a bucket and start bailing together. Teamwork is the answer.

NJW, for over 3 years now I've seen you write posts like this. You've painted these rosy pictures of unions and all they do for the world, but you won't talk about the fact that the union at NJ has cost the company millions of dollars and forced an overstaffing of the company which in turn is putting pilots out of work, voluntary or not.

Buffet's baby has more than sprung a leak, hell, it's overloaded too. This "preventive measure" is nothing more than a voluntary furlough at a time where no pilot can afford to be out of work. How many of these pilots gave up decent flying jobs to go to work at NJ with the rosy picture the union was painting for the future? How many of these pilots were hired because the work rules forced more pilots per airplane than any other frac in the industry?

Yeah, y'all have to pull together, to bail your own butts out of the mess your union put you in to.

If the contract had done it's job, these "preventive measures" would have never been needed to the extent they are.

 

[imacdog]

Forced overstaffing? You haven't been paying much attention to the market, have ya there skippy? Maybe you could explain why Citation Shares and Flex, both non-union, had to furlough? They didn't have a contract that forced the company to do anything............... :erm:

 

[brokeflyer]

NJW, for over 3 years now I've seen you write posts like this. You've painted these rosy pictures of unions and all they do for the world, but you won't talk about the fact that the union at NJ has cost the company millions of dollars and forced an overstaffing of the company which in turn is putting pilots out of work, voluntary or not.

Buffet's baby has more than sprung a leak, hell, it's overloaded too. This "preventive measure" is nothing more than a voluntary furlough at a time where no pilot can afford to be out of work. How many of these pilots gave up decent flying jobs to go to work at NJ with the rosy picture the union was painting for the future? How many of these pilots were hired because the work rules forced more pilots per airplane than any other frac in the industry?

Yeah, y'all have to pull together, to bail your own butts out of the mess your union put you in to.

If the contract had done it's job, these "preventive measures" would have never been needed to the extent they are.

lololololol


if you are so againts this then go make a diffrence b19, only you can change things. only YOU can di it. crying to us about it wont change it.

go make it so we dont need a union. Otherwise you are just wasting time.

only YOU can change things.

 

[gunfyter]

19,

I didn't know Jet Direct was a union shop?

 

[fischman]

NJW, for over 3 years now I've seen you write posts like this. You've painted these rosy pictures of unions and all they do for the world, but you won't talk about the fact that the union at NJ has cost the company millions of dollars and forced an overstaffing of the company which in turn is putting pilots out of work, voluntary or not.

Buffet's baby has more than sprung a leak, hell, it's overloaded too. This "preventive measure" is nothing more than a voluntary furlough at a time where no pilot can afford to be out of work. How many of these pilots gave up decent flying jobs to go to work at NJ with the rosy picture the union was painting for the future? How many of these pilots were hired because the work rules forced more pilots per airplane than any other frac in the industry?

Yeah, y'all have to pull together, to bail your own butts out of the mess your union put you in to.

If the contract had done it's job, these "preventive measures" would have never been needed to the extent they are.

The pilots, who are NJASAP, have made NetJets HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars. Not LOST. Try again. I love proving you wrong.

 

[Outta Here]

If everyone would quit replying to B19's post he then would be just typing and make his baseless points to himself and do everyone a favor and leave. It would be like when he was a child back in school on the playground everyone ignored him and never picked him for games he was off playing and talking to himself

 

[jppt2000]

If everyone would quit replying to B19's post he then would be just typing and make his baseless points to himself and do everyone a favor and leave. It would be like when he was a child back in school on the playground everyone ignored him and never picked him for games he was off playing and talking to himself

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Originally Posted by skanza
Go ahead with GerryG and C425Driver in thinking that I'm B19. It helps with the obscurity and you'll never know the reality of it because you won't accept it. You may be able to find a post by each on of us on different threads at the same time - how would one guy do that? Carry on.

I still think unions were a short term solution that turned into a long term problem.

Is Toyota or Honda closing any plants/dealerships? (Not that the unions are to blame totally, but they sure didn't help = legacy costs, unrealistic wages [$40/hr to put wheels on? Really?], etc...)

You responded in the 1st person to an attack on B19, because you forgot which alias you were logged in with. You can't misdirect, or obfuscate that one away, you trickery troll you. You are busted.:beer:
We've been responding to someone that appears to have two different screen names, and an agenda not original to himself.
B19/skanza=busted=no validity

 

[DUATS]

How many of these pilots gave up decent flying jobs to go to work at NJ with the rosy picture the union was painting for the future?

I never heard the union painting a rosy picture - just a bunch of pilots on FI!

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'm still trying to figure out how a 60 ish + pilot taking the early out is "putting a pilot out of work" as our "friend" puts it. Attention. Attention. A pilot that age would be CONSIDERING RETIREMENT ANYWAY and this is a great way to pull the plug on their career while benefiting themselves AND those pilots junior to them. This program is good for the company AND good for the pilots.

BTW Mr. 19, NJI is STILL a non-union company (for another 18 months) and the "union bad, non-union good" argument doesn't hold water in this economy. The entire industry, union or not, is in the middle of a major correction. I'm no union cheerleader and have my concerns (and hopes) for the future of NJI as it transitions to a union shop. But I must say that the NJASAP leadership has exhibited remarkable pragmatism, flexibility, and cooperation with the company in dealing with the market conditions. NJASAP AIN'T the UAW, the Teamsters, or any other old-school, intransigent, angry union.

One more BTW: new reports from NJI management indicate the "early out" option has been more popular than expected and they actually might not be able to accomodate all the requests.

 

[sexybeast]

I'm still trying to figure out how a 60 ish + pilot taking the early out is "putting a pilot out of work" as our "friend" puts it. Attention. Attention. A pilot that age would be CONSIDERING RETIREMENT ANYWAY and this is a great way to pull the plug on their career while benefiting themselves AND those pilots junior to them. This program is good for the company AND good for the pilots.

BTW Mr. 19, NJI is STILL a non-union company (for another 18 months) and the "union bad, non-union good" argument doesn't hold water in this economy. The entire industry, union or not, is in the middle of a major correction. I'm no union cheerleader and have my concerns (and hopes) for the future of NJI as it transitions to a union shop. But I must say that the NJASAP leadership has exhibited remarkable pragmatism, flexibility, and cooperation with the company in dealing with the market conditions. NJASAP AIN'T the UAW, the Teamsters, or any other old-school, intransigent, angry union.

One more BTW: new reports from NJI management indicate the "early out" option has been more popular than expected and they actually might not be able to accomodate all the requests.

I hope this is true. If that's the case, then lets offer some NJI transitions to the overstaffed NJA group to make sure everyone's request is eventually granted.