Net Jets International (EJI, Gulfstreams)

[On Your Six]

Maybe I am missing something here, nut how does dragging the NJI pilots into the NJA system help you? They operate an airframe type that NJA does not and there are far fewer of them than you.

It sounds like a seniority grab to me. An excuse for a few 'senior' people to fly a bigger airplane.

Maybe I am missing something.

The GIV and GV are operated alongside the regular fleet in Europe - why not in the US? NJA operates BBJs - why not the Gulfstreams too? Flight Options operates GIVs in its fleet alongside smaller aircraft. Divide and conquer is the strategy employed and it does not make sense operationally - why have an overlap? I am sure some of the Gulfstream guys would love to fly a BBJ...

 

[da90drivr]

Gunfyter,

I think your logic may be a little flawed here, NJA is a union shop - you will get nothing that you do not negotiate. (browse the regional /major airline sections of this board)
You operate under a collective agreement negotiated by your union and the company. The company is not withholding benefits given to other employees, your union just failed to have them added into your contract.

By your reasoning if the company allows for flight attendants to stay at 5 star hotels reguardless of cost the pilots should stay at the same hotel. CBAs and unions don't work that way.

Just my opinion.

Mudd man

Its not likely the suit would go to integration unless that is what the company wants. All we want is to be paid and be treated properly. All the company has to do is pay us right and not withhold benefits they give to the non-union side of the house and this will all be a non-issue.

 

[da90drivr]

So I f I understand you correctly because you can't get what you want from the company you will go after another pilot group and screw them to make yourself feel better?

Scope is a pretty weak argument too, NJI = separate company (same parent)different mission, different owners. How will you control the EJM flying? Don't they provide supplemental lift for NJA and NJI? What are you willing to give up to get scope? Pay? Work rules?

I am still interested in your answer to my original question - How do you benefit from 'merging' the two groups? They get stapled, take a pay cut and and possibly lose their seat. You keep the same pay rate, get a few planes,maybe move up a few numbers on the list and the biggest bonus of all....you get a group of pissed off pilots (think AA / TWA).

It might be more productive to focus on improving your situation using the RLA to your advantage. Management loves to play employee groups off one another. It takes the pressure off them.

That's all for now, look forward to your response.

90

That is part of the negotiation... to obtain what we want. Its called hardball. We cannot strike because of RLA... So a nice shot in the face is a Single Carrier suit.

 

[Majik]

I think your logic may be a little flawed here, NJA is a union shop - you will get nothing that you do not negotiate. (browse the regional /major airline sections of this board)
You operate under a collective agreement negotiated by your union and the company. The company is not withholding benefits given to other employees, your union just failed to have them added into your contract.

I am still interested in your answer to my original question - How do you benefit from 'merging' the two groups?

It might be more productive to focus on improving your situation using the RLA to your advantage. Management loves to play employee groups off one another. It takes the pressure off them.

That's all for now, look forward to your response.

You are absolutely right; we will get nothing that we do not negotiate.
NJA is a union shop.
Company gives preferential treatment to non-union pilots.
We must use the tools available to us.
RLA (mediator) will not release us for self-help.
Find a way to take something away from the company.
Company wants NJI to remain non-union.
We threaten the company's ability to have a non-union flight department.
Company can choose to increase original offer to union group or not.
It's called negotiating and may help improve our situation.
Since it's something the company feels so strongly against, maybe they'll pay to make it go away.

So, the answer to your original question, "How do you benefit from 'merging' the two groups?
By threatening to take something away from the company that they value dearly - their non-union pilots.

 

[dime line]

Majik.....We must use the tools available to us.
RLA (mediator) will not release us for self-help


Because I don't know.. I thought a strike was the unions/pilots Ace card. And that would be the very last option?

Does "Self-Help" mean Strike, in fancy term

Thanks

 

[Majik]

Majik.....We must use the tools available to us.
RLA (mediator) will not release us for self-help


Because I don't know.. I thought a strike was the unions/pilots Ace card. And that would be the very last option?

Does "Self-Help" mean Strike, in fancy term

Thanks

Self help includes the right to strike.

 

[dime line]

well does NJA have the right to self help/strike when there is no other option?