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poor2thecore

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Hey everyone, I have a couple of questions. I've been in the Navy for the last 3.5 years, I have half a year left. I'll be 22 with a PPL around 100 hours. I'm single, I have nothing to tie me down. I'm thinking if moving somewhere new, going to college, and finishing up my ratings. Once I get my CFI I'd start instructing. College shouldn't be more than 3 years from when I start next summer. Does this seem like an alright plan? Yes I know nobody is hiring, and it sucks... But try the Navy (enlisted) for a few years, it's hell. I know what to get into, I know all about the struggles. I just need some advice. Should I just work on my ratings and try to get on with a regional then work on the degree once I'm there?

Thanks
 

wooferdog

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Get your degree. And DO NOT get it in aviation. Get a good degree - like accounting or business administration. You can finish up your ratings while in college at a good Part 61 school.

Hiring will not resume for quite some time. AND, there'll be a nice stack of highly qualified folks willing to work for peanuts.

You may want to strongly consider "staying in".
 

makersmarc

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Stay in until you have your 20 in. Then use your benefits to get your degree in something useful. You will only be 38 when you get out, and you will have some retirement income as well. Of course you can get your degree through the University of Phoenix or some such correspondence school while you are still in. Just be sure that whatever school you choose is accredited.

A lot can happen in 16 years. Also, remember that there are a lot of people in the same situation - thinking that a business degree is the answer. If you go that route you will be competing with them for jobs.
 

poor2thecore

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Staying in the Navy isn't an option for anymore. I'd definitely study something other than aviation, probably Poly/Sci or Business Admin as a backup. Would it be wise to try and get on with a regional as soon as I can minus a degree then work on it while I'm there? I'll be getting the Gi Bill so whatever the case is I'll be getting tuition paid for in full and I'll recurve anywhere from 1300 to 2000 dollars a month in a living stipend.
 

Rusty Nail

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Do what makes you happy! If making a lot of money and having a stable career make you happy stay out of this business!
 

poor2thecore

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I've done the enlisted Navy for the last few years guys. I know all about being poor, being gone, being angry at superiors and feeling like you have no control. I've deployed three times in three years, I've missed three Christmases, birthdays, etc etc. It's not all peaches on the other side. And, and, I was wearing the uniform. Think I got any respect? This is what I want to do, I know it may have it's huge downsides, but I'd like to think I could change that. The Navy made me realize though, you never really no how much it sucks when your not doing what you want.
 

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I've done the enlisted Navy for the last few years guys. I know all about being poor, being gone, being angry at superiors and feeling like you have no control. I've deployed three times in three years, I've missed three Christmases, birthdays, etc etc. It's not all peaches on the other side. And, and, I was wearing the uniform. Think I got any respect? This is what I want to do, I know it may have it's huge downsides, but I'd like to think I could change that. The Navy made me realize though, you never really no how much it sucks when your not doing what you want.

Are you describing the navy or an airline job? Jumping from the pan into the fire. I think that is how the saying goes. Get a 4yr degree in something you can make a wage at. Accounting, Nursing, Engineering anything so you can try aviation and have something to do when you realize how shi tty the airline job really is.
 

Hobit

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Poor,

Have you thought of Warrant Officer Flight Training? Army Guard, Active Duty, Army Reserve?

Keep the retirement and get paid to fly.

If you get a slot in the Guard/Reserves you will have a part time job while in college and depending on the state you may have your tuition paid for. It will stretch things out a bit but the financial benefits are pretty good. You can even get TriCare health benefits as an M-day soldier now.


http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/

Give it a serious thought.
 

QOL_is_great:)

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Earn the degree first!!!

Staying in the Navy isn't an option for anymore. I'd definitely study something other than aviation, probably Poly/Sci or Business Admin as a backup. Would it be wise to try and get on with a regional as soon as I can minus a degree then work on it while I'm there? I'll be getting the Gi Bill so whatever the case is I'll be getting tuition paid for in full and I'll recurve anywhere from 1300 to 2000 dollars a month in a living stipend.

Remember, the new GI Bill only applies if you go to school full-time and at a college. Going part-time and/or via on-line will not allow the new GI Bill. The new GI Bill will pay you at the E5 level based on the location you are. The new bill is good for a 48 month period and those can be non-consecutive months.
If you're hell bent on getting out then attend school full-time and FINISH the degree. It's harder to complete the degree if you're working full-time at a regional and maybe doing a part-time job of some kind to make a descent living. Toss in marriage, a kid and you're really spread thin brother. Also, look into the reserves. If you earn your degree and you're in the reserves then maybe you'll have a shot of attending Naval Flight School and return to your reserve unit.
Lots of options, but FINISH the degree first and fly while in college.
Good luck!!!
 

wooferdog

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If you're hell bent on getting out then attend school full-time and FINISH the degree. It's harder to complete the degree if you're working full-time at a regional and maybe doing a part-time job of some kind to make a descent living. Toss in marriage, a kid and you're really spread thin brother. Also, look into the reserves. If you earn your degree and you're in the reserves then maybe you'll have a shot of attending Naval Flight School and return to your reserve unit.
Lots of options, but FINISH the degree first and fly while in college.
Good luck!!!

Ditto!
 

wooferdog

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Biggest mistake I ever made in my life - Getting a degree in "Aviation Management".
 

rickair7777

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I've done the enlisted Navy for the last few years guys. I know all about being poor, being gone, being angry at superiors and feeling like you have no control. I've deployed three times in three years, I've missed three Christmases, birthdays, etc etc. It's not all peaches on the other side. And, and, I was wearing the uniform. Think I got any respect? This is what I want to do, I know it may have it's huge downsides, but I'd like to think I could change that. The Navy made me realize though, you never really no how much it sucks when your not doing what you want.

Most military folks have some of those feelings at some point or other...

However: Did you let your feelings interfere with your job performance? If you left the nav with a bad attitude and bad evals I can about guarantee that aviation will not work out for you...don't waste your money.

If you kept your cool and performed well even though you didn't like the situation your prospects are better.

But like others have said, aviation is a horrible career if you have no fallback and even then it's questionable. I would SERIOUSLY consider staying in and competing for a military flight slot. Army will take you as a WO now, or you can knock out college and try for a navy/usaf/usmc slot. Actually you might need two years of college for WO, not sure on that. The army is not a bad gig...you will probably start in helos, but they are getting a lot of fixed-wing airplanes, which you should be able to transition into. That military FW time will make you eligible for a major airline job.

If you don't want to stay on AD, look into the reserves. If you think you can make it civilian aviation without a reserve paycheck, you might be in for a rude awakening. The navy at least feeds you, provides for your basic needs, and gives you an allowance...regional airlines will not be so kind. Remember, your civilian competitors will have trust funds to rely on....they can afford to work for $17K.
 

contrail67

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Hey everyone, I have a couple of questions. I've been in the Navy for the last 3.5 years, I have half a year left. I'll be 22 with a PPL around 100 hours. I'm single, I have nothing to tie me down. I'm thinking if moving somewhere new, going to college, and finishing up my ratings. Once I get my CFI I'd start instructing. College shouldn't be more than 3 years from when I start next summer. Does this seem like an alright plan? Yes I know nobody is hiring, and it sucks... But try the Navy (enlisted) for a few years, it's hell. I know what to get into, I know all about the struggles. I just need some advice. Should I just work on my ratings and try to get on with a regional then work on the degree once I'm there?

Thanks

When the retirements start to kick back in there will be alot of movement...some of these guys on here think there are actually going to keep someone from aging. You are young enough you will benefit.

Try to get a degree in something other than flying...will give you options if you get a medical condition and cannot fly. Regional experience is good because it is part121 experience on your resume.
 
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