need some resume examples

[Resume Writer]

I also would like to welcome Lori to the board. She has a wealth of information to offer. She is very knowledgable in aviation HR and Hiring.

We spoke at great length last Monday night. For those of you who do not know about Lori, she hired at Mesa Airlines for 7 years. In addition, she is a wonderful person, very articulate and has great connections!

We also spoke about getting another person, who shall remain nameless at this point, to join the boards to speak about legal issues. This person worked in an airline legal department, and I think she could help with pilots or others who would like to pay for a review of hiring contracts or other legal issues in aviation. I have spoken with this woman, and she also is very sharp.

Welcome, Lori!!

Kathy

 

[lostplnetairman]

I have reviewed resumes for years. Before forwarding them to the hiring managers and others in the interview process I have my staff remove any information that may lead to discrimination. It is not illegal to have the information. It is illegal to discriminate based on it. However, that being said, it would be difficult to prove in a court of law that discrimination was not a factor in the decision should there be a charge of discrimination. Given last year's Supreme Court decision in Costa v Ceasar's that acknowledge mixed motives, I wouldn 't go there. It's simply not prudent. So, if applicants don't provide that information in the first place, it makes it easier on the HR Department. We LIKE applicants better when they make our lives easier!

HRDiva

 

[TonyC]

I also would like to welcome Lori to the board. She has a wealth of information to offer. She is very knowledgable in aviation HR and Hiring.

We spoke at great length last Monday night. For those of you who do not know about Lori, she hired at Mesa Airlines for 7 years. In addition, she is a wonderful person, very articulate and has great connections!

Well, if she knows you, that settles it - - she's OK!


LOL


Kathy, can you put in a good word for me? I need a better excuse than FlightInfo to hang out on the computer - - if Lori can get me a part-time proofreading gig....

 

[Resume Writer]

Well, if she knows you, that settles it - - she's OK!


LOL


Kathy, can you put in a good word for me? I need a better excuse than FlightInfo to hang out on the computer - - if Lori can get me a part-time proofreading gig....

Sure Tony, I will tell her you are the grammar KING and are available for a "price" for your services!

I think you missed your calling - you should have been an English Grammar Teacher...

Kathy

 

[dash8driver]

tony..where were you when i was in college???

 

[TIS]

In general, I agree...

Without getting into too lengthy a diatribe, I must say that two things jump out at me in this discussion. The first is the issue of cell phone numbers on a resume and the other is that of what to put in your cover letter.

A resume must convey, on its most fundamental level, who you are, your qualifications, your work history, and how you can be reached. If one of the most reliable and consistent ways that you can be reached is by cell phone then you should put your cell phone number on the resume. It's pretty much that simple.

It was different in years past when the only option was a pager number. I did not recommend that people put their pager numbers on a resume because they had several fatal flaws that made them notoriously unreliable - not the least of which was that the person placing the page never really knew if they had paged the right individual - that is, unless the right person called right back.

In my case, the best way to be sure that you will at least get a message to me is to call my cell phone. If I'm in the country (which I haven't been in the past few days) I get those messages pretty much wherever I happen to land, as soon as I land.

Now, without disagreeing with the concept of brevity so expertly espoused by Lori and Kathy, I will also say that there are times when a cover letter needs to contain more detail than the five Ws permits.

It's important to understand the difference between a cover letter and a resume. Allow me to over-generalize for a moment (it's what we historians do best). First, a resume is a statement of professional qualification with contact information. A resume, in its purest form, will not contain personal information.

A cover letter, on the other hand, can be anything from a very simple accompaniment to your resume just to show that you cared enough to write it in the first place, to a fact filled summary that says all the things a resume can’t say because of its structure and purpose. In other words, a cover letter is where you can say some things that you want you target company to know about you that you can’t say in your resume.

Writing has many features that give it power that most people fail to fully grasp. One is its permanence. When you write something down it relates your thoughts, and sometimes more importantly, your attitudes, in a way that can be re-evaluated over time. All one has to do is read what was written another time. A permanent record of what you have to say in the hands of your interviewer can be quite handy before, during, and after an interview. If they can’t remember who you are, perhaps your letter will jog a few brain cells later on.

Another power of writing is the degree of control it affords you over the flow of information you have to offer. When you take the time to put your thoughts in writing you have the power to control not only what information you present, but also how you present it. You also have the power to change what you write before anyone else sees it thus, giving you the ability to have precisely the impact you desire or intend on your reader. One has only to think of instances where one has misspoken in a coversation to understand the potential importance of writing in this regard.

You can use your cover letter to direct attention to facts about yourself that you want on parade during an interview. You will be asked about yourself in some form or another. When you get this question you might be able to cite your cover letter as a source for details of personal accomplishments or awards, personal hardships that interrupted work experience, etc. The point is that a cover letter can help you direct the attention of the interviewer where you want their focus to be – on the details you want them to consider about you.

So, while I do encourage people to restrain their cover letters somewhat (ONE page maximum), I think that what you put in it depends entirely on who you are. When a well written cover letter is read and considered against the fabric of your interview, it can often have contribute to a strong personal impression.

It is my experience that cover letters may not always be fully read by those to whom they are presented, but they often are. In cases where a cover letter is not read by an interviewer prior to an interview, it is often possible to create interest in doing so with good verbal presentation skills during the interview. In situations where your letter has been read you have the opportunity to emphasize key points by citing the letter during the interview. In either case, you a direct attention to things you have chosen as key points about you more than once.

Repetition is a well known teaching tool. Repetition fosters remembering the thing repeated. If YOU want to be the thing remembered skillful repetition of key facts will help you teach your target company about you in a way that will be more effective and will help you to achieve your goal.

You can say a lot on just one page. Check out the Declaration of Independence sometime – it’s just one page!

TIS

 

[bobbysamd]

Cell phones and brevity

It was different in years past when the only option was a pager number. I did not recommend that people put their pager numbers on a resume because they had several fatal flaws that made them notoriously unreliable - not the least of which was that the person placing the page never really knew if they had paged the right individual - that is, unless the right person called right back.

In my case, the best way to be sure that you will at least get a message to me is to call my cell phone. If I'm in the country (which I haven't been in the past few days) I get those messages pretty much wherever I happen to land, as soon as I land.

In the Stone Age tin-can-and-string hiring days of the late '80s-early '90s, there were no practical cellphones and no e-mail. It was just as important then as it is now to be reachable. Aside from simply being home to wait for the phone to ring, tape-driven answering machines and alternate phone numbers were the only contact tools available to pilots deperately seeking airline interviews. Somehow, we made them work.

It's far easier these days to be reached. You owe it to yourself to provide all available means of being contacted. Therefore, provide your cell number. You know that some airline might be calling you, so act appropriately when the phone rings. Moreover, most cellphones these days have caller ID, so you usually can tell who is calling before you answer.

Writing has many features that give it power that most people fail to fully grasp. One is its permanence . . . . Another power of writing is the degree of control it affords you over the flow of information you have to offer. When you take the time to put your thoughts in writing you have the power to control not only what information you present, but also how you present it . . . . You can use your cover letter to direct attention to facts about yourself that you want on parade during an interview . . . .

Absolutely, but . . . .

It is my experience that cover letters may not always be fully read by those to whom they are presented . . . .

. . . . with many of these people being turned off by pages blackened with long paragraphs heavy with prose that extolls one's virtues. So, in other words, get to the point. Above all, be sure to ask for the interview.

One final point to tie this together. Ask yourself how you would feel if confronted by your cover letter, keeping in mind that you are very busy and you read fifty such letters a day, all from people saying how great they are and who want interviews. Your letter should be directed to the reader's needs.

Once more, good luck with your class project.

 

[bobbysamd]

New-hire aside

About the cell phone number on the resume: In my opinion, I would put it there. I got the call to interview with ExpressJet at 2:00 PM the day before I left for a 5-day trip with my previous company.

Congratulations on the new job!

Good luck with class.

 

[Resume Writer]

I am going to make one comment on the cell phone issue. If you have caller ID and do not answer it if you know it is a recruiter, then what is the difference if the home phone number is listed? The recruiter will leave a message. Just like they have done for numerous years on home phones. Cell phones in my opinion are unreliable. I have gotten messages DAYS after they were left.

My suggestion: get voicemail instead of a traditional answering machine on your home phone. You will be able to get messages from anywhere you might be. Also, make sure you change your message to a professional one; no kids on the message or lengthy introductions of a Van Halen song!

If you feel you cannot get a message because of roommates, spouses or children, then I would suggest using a cell phone.

My whole point in this topic is for the candidate to CONTROL when and where the telephone screen occurs. Believe me, they will leave a message. They realize pilots are on the road. Then, if you call back and have to leave a message for the recruiter, leave your cell phone number. Then you will be expecting their call.

Kathy

 

[Resume Writer]

You can say a lot on just one page. Check out the Declaration of Independence sometime – it’s just one page!

TIS

Tis,

I had to laugh at this comment. What "font size" do you think the Declaration of Independence is written in? About 4 pt? Further, it was bigger than an 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper!!

I agree though, keep it to one page.

Kathy

 

[TIS]

How about this then?

You're quibbling!

Gettysburg Address? 267 words that do indeed say A LOT!

Fits on one page EASILY!

Lucida Grande up to 17 Pt. (I Checked)