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Need some advice!

Prof

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I have just joined the board, since I am about to become a student at 58! My pilot son has convinced me to return to flying after a 30 year absence. I have about 50 Hrs. in Navy trainers (T-34 & T-28) including aerobatics, but dropped out of training for family reasons.
I have the opportunity to train for the PPC in a tail dragger (Citabria 7ECA; pleasant memories of aerobatics). Since I don't plan to climb the ratings ladder, rather just fly for real fun again, is this a mistake? I can do this in an Arrow as well. What makes the most sense to those of you who have been in similar situations?

Thanks for reading!

Prof
 

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I think taildraggers are a perfect way to learn. They really keep your head "out of the cockpit" when doing patterns, turns, etc. I am working on my taildragger endorsement now and wish I had done it a long time ago. The Arrow is also a good airplane and it's considered "high performance" and "complex" (i.e. >200HP engine with constant speed prop and retractable gear). I think the Citabria may be a little less expensive too.
 

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Taildraggers

Taildraggers are for learning to fly the way it was meant to be learned!

I'd do it, notwithstanding the lesser cost. You'll probably fly tri-gear airplanes eventually, and will find them to be cake!

Better late than never. Flying for real fun is the only way to fly. Have a great time with your training!!
 

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Hi...

El Cid....whoever told you an Arrow is high performance is wrong.
The PA28R-201 is rated at 200 HP.

High performance is an aircraft that is over 200 HP.
 

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I'd love to have done my ppl in a taildragger. after your ppl, if you want to check out in the arrow it won't be a huge leaf. just a littel more complex, a little faster and of course the gear. nothing you cant pick up quick with some dual with a good instructor

I think going from a trike to a taildragger is more difficult. you have to "unlearn" some things
 

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Flymach2:

Thanks for mentioning that. You're right, it's not high performance, but at least it's complex. You think when Piper designated the "201" they would have given the pilot an extra horse on the nose to make it high performance. :rolleyes:


Blue Skies & Tailwinds,

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Hi...

I don't know if you've had a chance to fly an Arrow, El Cid, but it's a lot of fun. A little heavy on the controls in my opinion, but never the less...enjoyable.

Sheers..
 

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Yep, I've logged about 3 hours in an Arrow and I am getting ready to do a bunch more when I really get into the IFR training. They are a lot of fun and yes, a little heavy in the controls. Makes it feel like a "big" airplane ;) I still prefer the Beech Baron though :D

Question for ya: Would it be better for a career oriented pilot to do more time in an Arrow or a Cherokee 6/Cessna 182? It's a complex versus high peformance thing. I am going to start in a single and then try to do most in the Baron if the funds allow it. The one thing that makes and airplane fly is undoubtedly... MONEY!!! :eek:
 

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If you can get your hands on a R182 (182rg) it's both complex and hi-performance -- and a great airplane. i don't know that it's a big deal for a career oriented pilot though - isn't multi time the big ticket?
 

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Hi...

In my opinion, (and it's just that, my opinion), if you're getting your complex time in an Arrow, save your money for other training. The high performance single time isn't as important as the multi time needed for career advancement.

I do, however, recommend getting the High Performance endorsement. It will open quite a few doors as far as aircraft are concerned and is also a lot of fun.

I personally prefer the 182RG. Load it with full fuel, full cargo and 4 passengers and go. Cruise about 160 KIAS.

Just my $.02

Sheers
 

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The "1" in the PA-28R-201 is the designation that it has Tapered Wings, as compared to the PA-28R-200, which has the "Hersey Bar" wings. Same 200hp IO-360, just Different Wings
 

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JCJ & FlyMach2:

Thanks for the tips. I do have the high performance endorsement and I got the complex endorsement when I got my multi-engine rating. I love the Arrow. We don't have a 182RG anywhere around but I did ride in one of those when I was a student pilot. They definitely are nice and they go fast.

I think I will stick with the Arrow for primary instrument training (it's got a nice panel too and it's the mechanic's personal plane) and then move into the Baron. Of course I'll have to do some pre-checkride hours in the Arrow just before the SEL checkride to keep the FAA happy. Same goes for when I get the commercial and instructor ratings. No big deal because I look at it this way...

...IT'S FLYING!!!... and I am building the hours towards flying planes for a living.



If you can't be good, then be good at it!

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Thanks

Thanks to everyone for their advice. I have decided to go with the taildragger for my PPC! The Arrow is nice, but those of you who are familiar with the old Navy T-34s and T-28s know they were complex, high performance aircraft (both RG, fully aerobatic, with 225 and 1425 HP, respectively), so transitioning from the Citabria should be less of a problem for me. Besides, the Citabria just seems to promise more smiles! I'll check in with updates.

Thanks again for the comments.

Prof
 
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