Need help! (Long post)

[rjpilot7667]

I'm not sure but I think a CJ is a single pilot airplane. Get an experienced captain and learn as much as you can. when you meet the time req. you fly as pic. Groton mulit ratings in Groton CT does a great job at multi training and I think its alot cheaper than ATP. You will also not need a type rating right off the bat. You can got to school get some experience and then go back and get a type. If its all part 91 that will be a breeze. if its 135 it may be a bit more difficult. sounds like a great opportunity if you want to get back into aviation. flying corporate is alot of fun!!!! Enjoy

 

[blzr]

The CJ's are single pilot jets, but not all pilots for those jets are Single Pilot Typed, so they Do require two pilots.

Your time in type, even though it is SIC will definately help you down the road. Flight instructing is great and will help you build your time, but it won't get you any more prepared for flying jets and CRM. (although you don't have to be a rocket scientist to do either).

 

[NW Flyer]

Sorry PilotPat, but I have to disagree with you.

Gutshotdraw is correct in that the airplane in question can be operated either single pilot or two pilot. By default, it's a two pilot airplane, single pilot is the exception, and it requires special authorizations. Fly it two pilot, and log the time. It's not wasted time, and if your goal is to fly jets, you will be learning about 1000% more towards that goal than if you were instructing in a 172.

 

[pilotpat]

I couldn't agree more that he wouldn't be wasting his time...that's how we've all done it! But I guess I don't understand the whole single pilot jet thingy. I was under the impression that if the Type Certificate says single pilot, then that's what it is. Like, if you swap the words King Air 90 for CJ1.

 

[blzr]

I couldn't agree more that he wouldn't be wasting his time...that's how we've all done it! But I guess I don't understand the whole single pilot jet thingy. I was under the impression that if the Type Certificate says single pilot, then that's what it is. Like, if you swap the words King Air 90 for CJ1.

it is, only if you get the single pilot type rating. I think that in order to get it, you have to have X amount of total time, Pic and time in type to qualify.

 

[nubi78]

Ok Ladies and Gentlemen,

Let me try to read this back to you so when I talk to the owner of this company, I sound like I know what I am talking about.

Step 1 is the owner should hire a captain who is experienced in running a flight department. He needs to be type rated in the CJ that the owner is going to purchase and should have a lot of flight time. In my best interest, this pilot should *not* be certified to fly Citations single pilot so I can log SIC time.

Step 2 I will get myself back into the air in a 172RG or similar type complex aircraft to scrape the rust off of my wings for about 10-15 hours.

Step 3. I will go get my multi-engine rating in a piston twin.

Step 4. I do not need a type rating to log SIC time but if I want to log PIC time, then I will have to get my type rating. I will make the case that I want to get my type rating shortly after my multi-engine rating.

Along those lines, I should be able to safely fly right seat as SIC in this aircraft after the type rating (right?)? Also, I understand that a company like Flight Safety is used to having pilots like me with no jet time successfully get my type rating… Right?

Step 5 I can now fly SIC in the Citation. The insurance will probably be higher then a pilot with a higher number of hours but it is possible.

Step 6. When I accumulate some experience, I can start to log PIC time when acting as PIC (since I have the type rating). The insurance company would not be happy about this but the regulations fall in the FAA’s domain. So, I do log SIC time when not acting as PIC and PIC time when acting as PIC.

Step 7. Profit!!!

Your thoughts?

 

[BushwickBill]

Ok Ladies and Gentlemen,

Let me try to read this back to you so when I talk to the owner of this company, I sound like I know what I am talking about.

Step 1 is the owner should hire a captain who is experienced in running a flight department. He needs to be type rated in the CJ that the owner is going to purchase and should have a lot of flight time. In my best interest, this pilot should *not* be certified to fly Citations single pilot so I can log SIC time.

Step 2 I will get myself back into the air in a 172RG or similar type complex aircraft to scrape the rust off of my wings for about 10-15 hours.

Step 3. I will go get my multi-engine rating in a piston twin.

Step 4. I do not need a type rating to log SIC time but if I want to log PIC time, then I will have to get my type rating. I will make the case that I want to get my type rating shortly after my multi-engine rating.

Along those lines, I should be able to safely fly right seat as SIC in this aircraft after the type rating (right?)? Also, I understand that a company like Flight Safety is used to having pilots like me with no jet time successfully get my type rating… Right?

Step 5 I can now fly SIC in the Citation. The insurance will probably be higher then a pilot with a higher number of hours but it is possible.

Step 6. When I accumulate some experience, I can start to log PIC time when acting as PIC (since I have the type rating). The insurance company would not be happy about this but the regulations fall in the FAA’s domain. So, I do log SIC time when not acting as PIC and PIC time when acting as PIC.

Step 7. Profit!!!

Your thoughts?

You've almost got it down.

Step 4 is wrong.

Step 5 you can fly SIC in a Citation CJ1 with a SIC endorsement. Look up 61.55b. Please get training in the aircraft your flying. Don't just let them pencil whip your logbook.

You'll need 500 hours in type or 1000 hours Total Time before you can get your type rating.

You can take the 70% course now. It is basicly the whole type course but no type ride. You should take this course with the captain that you hire.

Your going to have to make sure that the captain you hire is a good guy and is interested in training you on the job.

As soon as you reach 1000 hours Total Time go get your type rating. The sit left seat when the captain feels your up to it. If he is a good guy he'll help you work your way into the left seat. If he's a jerk he could get the owners ear and push you out of the picture.

Good Luck

 

[LJ45]

Most guys have the CE525(s) type rating (s = Single pilot). That doesn't mean it can be flown with a SIC and the SIC log SIC time, if the PIC has had the training to act as PIC of an aircraft with more than one crewmember. (i.e. FAR 61.58 Pilot-in-command proficiency check: Operation of aircraft requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember.)

The AFM for the CJ has some information on this.

 

[pilotpat]

I'm thoroughly confused and happy to fly my Falcon 20!! hahahaa!!

 

[MissKittyKat]

Nubie, if you don't or aren't going to pursue a career in aviation then why? This was your first question. You have low time hours but that is ok. Just really know if you want to do this. Flying recreational planes is easy. A teenager can take off, and land in a recreational plane.

If your are doing something you don't want to do, then don't do it!

If you want do something that's for you and you can handle it,THEN D0 IT!

You have some time, logging in, I say go for it!

Personally, if you want to fly, and you haven't done it in awhile , then you need to go out and do it.

Pursue your dreams, and do it in the right way.

(i am hearing the voice of my deaceased fiancee) Bruce, would encourage you to do what is right)

He was a pilot, for 40 years, Since he was very encouraging, very positive with people,

All my best to you sir! Good Luck!