Navy Reserve looking for more pilots......

[Jolly Roger]

This sucks! As an O-5 reservist I am standing up to this discrimination! No better than age discrimination... or is it harassment? Yes, I feel herresed....harassed....

That's it, next year I'm quitting (for the third time). Time for another beer.....

 

[GPilot]

You do know there are two Navy Gulfstream squadrons at Andrews.

Looking at his profile I think he knows.

 

[Bigoober]

Dup post

 

[Bigoober]

Looking at his profile I think he knows.

Yep, I do.

Since most O-5s were putting in for the one I am talking about, I went with it. Some were even senior to the CO. Again, troops aren't so happy there especially when one reservist sits across from a CO of that squadron and hears that that CO hates reservists. Not that anyone couldn't tell.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Yep, I do.

Since most O-5s were putting in for the one I am talking about, I went with it. Some were even senior to the CO. Again, troops aren't so happy there especially when one reservist sits across from a CO of that squadron and hears that that CO hates reservists. Not that anyone couldn't tell.

Well, you meant the other squadron. Not a place for SELRES. Never has been. They don't know what to do with them.

 

[satpak77]

Overgrade waivers were denied big time (with the exception of the BRAC squadrons out there). It's not like it usd to be as drill allocation has shrunk thanks to the budget. There are plenty of O-5's that are on the chopping block (or have been booted already) that would love to stay and fly or write awards, evals,you name it. The Admiral has different thoughts on keeping O-5's around yet we all know the experience they provide a squadron is invaluable. That was brought up recently and it ws shot down wthout batting an eye. What would you rather do....Sit in a cockpit or sit behind a desk gouging out your eyes with a pencil at the local NOSC knowing that you'll never make O-6? I'm pretty sure, 99.9% of us would rather ride it out as an O-5, flying hardware and not worrying about the next promotion. Decisions are based on the fiscal restraints and that will never change...My 2 cents as a command screened O-5 who will never see the front office.

Not a military guy, but read your post and this brings up a question.

What is the most senior officer rank that will still keep one fairly active in the cockpit? I would assume Captain or Major

With that said, how many officers would (if they could) tell Uncle Sam, "look let me (actively) fly forever, I will stay a Captain for 20 years."

But I believe the general military environment is that of promote promote promote is it not?

How many guys would do the above if they could?

 

[Full of LUV]

Probably too many....

Not a military guy, but read your post and this brings up a question.

What is the most senior officer rank that will still keep one fairly active in the cockpit? I would assume Captain or Major

With that said, how many officers would (if they could) tell Uncle Sam, "look let me (actively) fly forever, I will stay a Captain for 20 years."

But I believe the general military environment is that of promote promote promote is it not?

How many guys would do the above if they could?

What you speak of is exactly what the warrant officer program is all about in the Army. Retain pilots in a lower pay rate with no upward promotion. Navy and Air Force have been more geared toward line officers only, although in the past the Navy has had flying warrant officer pilots in non-tactical airplanes.
Line officers are supposed to be leaders of troops into battle. You need some that have professional background to understand the decisions that they would be making later on. Do you want a general or admiral making decisions about airplane policy and tactics without any good background. CDR's in the Navy have attained enough experience and demonstrated enough leadership that they should be leading something, not just flying airplanes. At least that is the Navy's position.

 

[TUPAK]

Yep, I do.

Since most O-5s were putting in for the one I am talking about, I went with it. Some were even senior to the CO. Again, troops aren't so happy there especially when one reservist sits across from a CO of that squadron and hears that that CO hates reservists. Not that anyone couldn't tell.

Hasn't changed much huh? I was thinking about coming back....PM me and let me know if I should.

 

[GPilot]

Yep, I do.

Since most O-5s were putting in for the one I am talking about, I went with it. Some were even senior to the CO. Again, troops aren't so happy there especially when one reservist sits across from a CO of that squadron and hears that that CO hates reservists. Not that anyone couldn't tell.

I got that vibe and left...a shame it sounds like it hasn't improved.

 

[GPilot]

Hasn't changed much huh? I was thinking about coming back....PM me and let me know if I should.

I thought you were the squadron flight surgeon?...

 

[fatboyplt]

Warrant Officers

What you speak of is exactly what the warrant officer program is all about in the Army. Retain pilots in a lower pay rate with no upward promotion. Navy and Air Force have been more geared toward line officers only, although in the past the Navy has had flying warrant officer pilots in non-tactical airplanes.
Line officers are supposed to be leaders of troops into battle. You need some that have professional background to understand the decisions that they would be making later on. Do you want a general or admiral making decisions about airplane policy and tactics without any good background. CDR's in the Navy have attained enough experience and demonstrated enough leadership that they should be leading something, not just flying airplanes. At least that is the Navy's position.

Warrant Officers also have command billets in the Army. They are at the CW5 or CW4 level and are commanding flying detachments in Iraq and Afghanistan. However Warrants are technical officers and stay flying for their carreer. Warrants are also commissioned officers above the rank of CW2. This allows the command billeting among other duties. Pay at CW5 is generally better than O5. But it takes a long time to get the rank if ever.

This is just for gouge ref how the Army works too...

Birdman
BTV

 

[firstthird]

plenty of NATO countries have career O-3s and the like. That system enables excellent small unit tactics, flying, etc. Not sure how it does at creating the multi-star generals and admirals. I mean, let's face it, most of those countries have a smaller total military than the average O-7 has command of over here.

The U.S. does it different. I guess our military feels that it gets better O-6 and above by making the O-4 and below either go up or out. Not sure it works in practice, but that is the theory.

If they denied overgrade wavers for places like New Orleans, then there are going to be some seriously undermanned squadrons. Almost sounds like yet another active duty Navy ploy to kill the reserves, again.

I mean that took away the reserve P-3 squadrons planes a few years ago. Now they get to 'share' with the active duty. Pretty soon the Navy reserve will be nothing more than a man-power pool for the active duty. And a low-morale, poorly trained one at that. But the admirals that did it will be long retired and not pay a price for their 'leadership.'

 

[Full of LUV]

Thanks for the update....

Warrant Officers also have command billets in the Army. They are at the CW5 or CW4 level and are commanding flying detachments in Iraq and Afghanistan. However Warrants are technical officers and stay flying for their carreer. Warrants are also commissioned officers above the rank of CW2. This allows the command billeting among other duties. Pay at CW5 is generally better than O5. But it takes a long time to get the rank if ever.

This is just for gouge ref how the Army works too...

Birdman
BTV

Thanks for the update on the Warrant program, I wasn't sure except that Ive had several junior enlisted get picked for warrant in the army flying helos, seemed like a good opportunity for them since the Navy limits it's warrants to IT duties and a few other specialties. I think the P3's just took in some flying warrants though so they are trying to start something. The navy looks at all it's officers as future admirals until otherwise shown, therefore there is an up or out mentality throughout the whole officer corps.