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[701EV]

Did you drive there in the middle of the night with 777forever to stroke yourself in their shadows?

NO!

AND A BIG F#CK YOU TO YOU A$$HOLE.

GROW UP!

701EV

 

[crj567]

Female mech started the engine after a chem wash. Pushed the start button to dry motor. Problem was, the levers were in the T/O notch. Away she went into the hanger trashing two 200's while she was at it.

Must be the first All-Female-All-Ditzy-All-Drunk taxi crew! Another important ASA milestone!!
-Cheers!

 

[rf285]

NO!

AND A BIG F#CK YOU TO YOU A$$HOLE.

GROW UP!

701EV

Why so sensitive? What is the big deal about these "9s" by Mattel anyways? You have seen them flown in and out of ATL for years.... Now if you see them without the by (insert DCI flavor of the month) only Delta, then we are talking good things.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

get over it, the '9' IS the 900. it's been made that way on these boards, therefore it is rule.

To those of us who actually fly the "9" (and by the "9", I mean the DC-9...the paid for airframe that has saved Northwest's ass time and time again and now, unfortunately, goes a long way to subsidizing the shiny new CRJ-900 airframes that you guys fly for QuikTrip manager wages in order to rob more flying from better paying mainline jobs) it's a sensitive issue. You don't fly the "9". ASA doesn't operate the "9". Every time I hear a puppy mill RJ FO talk about flying "the 9", my stomach turns a little bit.

Enjoy your "9". Admire every shiny new stretch RJ that shows up on your property, and realize that it just put you 10 or more interview slots away from a job at the mainline of your choice.

Yes, I know, scope erosion is a mainline problem. We should never have given away what we did. But, for those of you wishing to move on from the regionals, you should not see the arrival of the *ahem* "9" as a good thing. It's simply an airframe pushing your mainline job further and further away with each delivery.

 

[sweptback]

To those of us who actually fly the "9" (and by the "9", I mean the DC-9...the paid for airframe that has saved Northwest's ass time and time again and now, unfortunately, goes a long way to subsidizing the shiny new CRJ-900 airframes that you guys fly for QuikTrip manager wages in order to rob more flying from better paying mainline jobs)

From a former ASA pilot, I expected better.

 

[rf285]

To those of us who actually fly the "9" (and by the "9", I mean the DC-9...the paid for airframe that has saved Northwest's ass time and time again and now, unfortunately, goes a long way to subsidizing the shiny new CRJ-900 airframes that you guys fly for QuikTrip manager wages in order to rob more flying from better paying mainline jobs) it's a sensitive issue. You don't fly the "9". ASA doesn't operate the "9". Every time I hear a puppy mill RJ FO talk about flying "the 9", my stomach turns a little bit.

Enjoy your "9". Admire every shiny new stretch RJ that shows up on your property, and realize that it just put you 10 or more interview slots away from a job at the mainline of your choice.

Yes, I know, scope erosion is a mainline problem. We should never have given away what we did. But, for those of you wishing to move on from the regionals, you should not see the arrival of the *ahem* "9" as a good thing. It's simply an airframe pushing your mainline job further and further away with each delivery.

Exactly! I'm looking forward to playing with the real 9. I'm on her big sister now, but she will likely kick me off if I want to stay in a warm home.

 

[OCP]

Everyone needs to step back... 701 was joking!!!! Get over it! Christ you are all suckers.

 

[Max Q]

To those of us who actually fly the "9" (and by the "9", I mean the DC-9...the paid for airframe that has saved Northwest's ass time and time again and now, unfortunately, goes a long way to subsidizing the shiny new CRJ-900 blah blah blah....

Have you any idea how stupid that sounds within the context of this thread? YOU are the reason the "puppy mill RJ FO's" are calling the 900 the "9". Tell your wife to slow down on the up-stroke.

-Brett

 

[FmrFreightDog]

From a former ASA pilot, I expected better.

Why is that? Would you not rather have a reasonable opportunity to fly that airplane under mainline pay scales and work rules instead of busting your ass to maybe, if your lucky, break six figures?

Why, exactly, did you expect better from me? In a perfect world, I would like all of us to operate under a mainline contract, enjoying mainline pay rates and work rules. Barring that, I would like to protect as much flying under the mainline umbrella so as to provide as many top-paying jobs as possible.

For the record, even when I was at ASA, I was appalled at the scope erosion I saw. When the -700 showed up, it make me sick that mainline allowed that flying to be outsourced.

I've seen both sides, and I fully understand that scope has been sacrificed time and time again by the mainline MECs as a bargaining chip. I didn't like it when I was at ASA, and I like it even less now. Time and time again, I read posts from ASA Captains who have chosen not to move on for one reason or another and, while I understand the sentiment, I (personally) feel that my worst day working at NWA was, most likely, better than my best day working for ASA.

I, personally, would like to see all the shiny new dual-class RJs flown at the mainline level. I would like to see the guys in the left seat of that airplane making $130/hr plus and the guys in the right seat making $70/hr plus. It's a mainline aircraft flying mainline routes. Why should you be content (or, in some cases, excited) to fly it making less than mainline wages.

I did my time at ASA. I spent a good portion of my time there doing ALPA volunteer work in an attempt to make things better for the pilot group. I want nothing more than the best wages and work rules for every pilot who flies a passenger under the Delta code, and I think the best way to attain that goal is to aggressively fight to bring as much flying back under the mainline umbrella as is possible. That, incidentally, translates into more higher paying mainline jobs for guys like you.

So, explain to me how you expected better from me?? How, exactly, did I "forget my roots" after making the move to mainline and, after realizing how much better it really is, deciding that I want to aggressively fight to keep as much flying on property as possible and thus create more mainline jobs for people like you.

What more would you expect from me?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Have you any idea how stupid that sounds within the context of this thread? YOU are the reason the "puppy mill RJ FO's" are calling the 900 the "9". Tell your wife to slow down on the up-stroke.

-Brett

Yep. I'm the reason. I got hired at NWA in November of 2007. The damage had already been done long before I showed up for an interview.

However, like most of the NWA and DAL guys who were hired in 2006-2007, I am willing to fight....aggressively.... to protect as many mainline jobs as I can. Open your eyes for a few seconds and you will see that our goals are the same; unless, of course, you are one of those guys who, after deciding to make a career out of a regional, then decided that bigger is always better, no matter how little it pays.

BTW.... My wife is just fine on the up-stroke. She'll be happy to give your wife lessons because, seriously, she needs help.... (speaking from experience)

 

[sweptback]

What more would you expect from me?

Well, for one, you're bashing regional pilots for the sins committed by the mainline. I know you're one of them now, and congrats for making it out. Not all of us are that lucky, or have even had a chance yet.

I just find it amusing that once somebody gets a mainline job, they call out their former brethren -- like it's my fault we're flying around a 900.

If you did a survey of the ASA pilot group, I think you'd find all but the lifers would prefer to see the airplane at the majors. But we peons just take what we're given.

Maybe you should direct your anger at the more senior members of the DL/NW pilot group. After all, they are the ones that created the situation that we're in.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Well, for one, you're bashing regional pilots for the sins committed by the mainline. I know you're one of them now, and congrats for making it out. Not all of us are that lucky, or have even had a chance yet.

I just find it amusing that once somebody gets a mainline job, they call out their former brethren -- like it's my fault we're flying around a 900.

If you did a survey of the ASA pilot group, I think you'd find all but the lifers would prefer to see the airplane at the majors. But we peons just take what we're given.

Maybe you should direct your anger at the more senior members of the DL/NW pilot group. After all, they are the ones that created the situation that we're in.

I was, in no way, bashing regional pilots as a group. If it came across that way, it was unintended. The people I do have utmost disdain for are the regional pilots who see a new airframe like the -900 come along and salivate at the opportunities it brings.

I'll try to make myself as clear as I can at 2:30 in the morning.... I fault the MECs of DAL and NWA for giving away scope time and time again. I fault the structure of ALPA, which seems to lean heavily to the will of the widebody Captain who is, at best, uneducated about the implications of scope and, at worst, just does not care. The outsourcing problems we are facing now are, without a doubt, the fault of the mainline unions who either saw small jet flying as something that was beneath them or as something that was not worth expending valuable negotiating capital fighting for. That was all in place long before I and my peers got a mainline seniority number.

What's done is done. I have directed my anger at my LEC chairman and my MEC chairman. Many of my co-workers have done the same. I feel like the message is, finally, getting through. Those airplanes belong at mainline, flying under mainline payscales and mainline work rules, and thus creating more mainline (read, higher paying) jobs.

I have no disdain or hatred for a pilot who goes to work for a regional carrier finding him or herself in the right seat of a CRJ-900 flying formerly mainline route. We all have families to feed or house payments to make. What I absolutely can not stomach is the sense of entitlement that some of these lucky few that end up in the "9" seem to carry with them.

Whatever... it's no important.... ALPA dropped the ball years ago.

 

[Max Q]

I was, in no way, bashing regional pilots as a group. If it came across that way, it was unintended.

To those of us who actually fly the "9" (and by the "9", I mean the DC-9...the paid for airframe that has saved Northwest's ass time and time again and now, unfortunately, goes a long way to subsidizing the shiny new CRJ-900 airframes that you guys fly for QuikTrip manager wages in order to rob more flying from better paying mainline jobs...

You're backpedaling.

The people I do have utmost disdain for are the regional pilots who see a new airframe like the -900 come along and salivate at the opportunities it brings.

The only opportunity I, and probably most others, saw in a new airframe (as it was hardly about the extra seats...) was a temporary fix on the "over staff" issues and the possibility of keeping our now-furloughed coworkers off the streets.

-Brett

 

[FmrFreightDog]

You're backpedaling.




The only opportunity I, and probably most others, saw in a new airframe (as it was hardly about the extra seats...) was a temporary fix on the "over staff" issues and the possibility of keeping our now-furloughed coworkers off the streets.

-Brett

The opportunity I, and most others, see in attempting to retain or recapture that gauge of flying is to attempt to avoid an "overstaff" situation here. None of us want to see any more narrowbody flying taken off property. If our goals and your goals are at odds, then so be it.

I was in no way backpedaling. My first post was worded too harshly.

 

[b82rez]

BTW.... My wife is just fine on the up-stroke. She'll be happy to give your wife lessons because, seriously, she needs help.... (speaking from experience)

Quite possibly one of the lamest comebacks ever.

 

[ohplease!]

Quite possibly one of the lamest comebacks ever.

nah! It's perfect for the 8th grade....

 

[701EV]

Everyone needs to step back... 701 was joking!!!! Get over it! Christ you are all suckers.

OCP,

Thank you,


701EV

 

[bailout]

To those of us who actually fly the "9" (and by the "9", I mean the DC-9...You don't fly the "9". ASA doesn't operate the "9". Every time I hear a puppy mill RJ FO talk about flying "the 9", my stomach turns a little bit.

Why do you think "9" stands for DC9? Why dont you ask a WWII pilot what a "9" really is.

 

[WalterSobchak]

get over it, the '9' IS the 900. it's been made that way on these boards, therefore it is rule.

More importantly....does Rule 34 of the CRJ-900 exist?

 

[Tarzan]

Why do you think "9" stands for DC9? Why dont you ask a WWII pilot what a "9" really is.

Ummm, would that be "The whole 9 yards?"