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Resoloution, my ancestors worked long and hard at making sure dumbasses slaved away to make my life easier.

If those dumbasses want to make me a tv or a car...so be it.

If American companies want to build me a tv or a car that can compete with the ones that dumbasses build...then guess what? I'll buy the better mouse trap.
 
Oh, wait a minute...those dumbasses don't have guns, so they cannot tell their oppressive governments to pi$$ up a rope! Doh.
 
I shop at WalMart for everyday items like toiletries, paper goods, cleaning supplies, laundry detergent, etc...for one reason. They are cheaper for these exact same items than the local drugstore or supermarket.

That's pretty much the end of that story. It really doesn't go much deeper than that.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Do you want three DVD players that break in 24 months at $200 or do you want one that last 10 years at $150. We are a hyper consumption society and for what? To keep up with the Jonses? People are renting storage facilities cause their garages are too full with hypercomsumption junk.

Don't know about you, but I gave up keeping up with the Joneses a long time ago.


I'd pay more for american made quality. It has to be better than Chinese. My Toyota truck is made in America. Who cares who owns the company. Where are the jobs!?? As an American, I think American jobs are more important than Chinese jobs. Don't you? Or do you just want as much stuff as your dollar can buy.

My Acura is 10 years old, and I wouldn't dream of parting with it. Last American car in my household was a 1987 Buick that was abominably unreliable. Before that, it was a 1979 Chevy that wasn't much better. "American made quality" is an oxymoron on too many product lines. Couple that with the high cost of labor and you'll understand why the US manufacturing base has gone down the toilet. I'm not happy about it, but that's the way it is.


WalMart is demanding how the manufacturers profit margin will be. Too much control. Should WalMart force Levis to shut down american jobs and set up factories in mexico or overseas? Do some research on WalMart and choose with your dollar. The chinese factor is hard to escape. So much comes from there...but an understanding of WalMart and thier all american values wouldn't hurt...

All businesses work to drive their cost down. It's the most effective strategy to making or improving profits. WalMart, because of its size, just has more clout than smaller companies do.


Low cost carriers? Are LCC pilot cheap a$$ labor? Take a SWA pilots 20+ career earnings with stock and compare it to a UAL pilots salary. Don't forget the 85 strike (not that much income loss) and furloughs. The UAL pilot with zero income brings down his average. LCC is no comparision. The LCC pilots are quality blue collar labor.

Do air carriers employ only pilots? Are pilots at the legacy carriers the only employees who earn (or once earned) huge salaries? How do union work rules affect the cost structure?
 
Here is my prediction. WalMart is going to get spanked real hard by the US Gov't or some other group for unfair business practices. Anti-trust, what have you. Kinda like Microsoft. Just my gut feeling. No logic or intelligence to back that up.

Rez, I have to disagree with all of this. All except the last sentence.

People like you would be right at home in good ol' Dickensian England. Child labor, 18-hour days 7 days a week, loosing limbs in machines, union activists being roughed up by management goons. As long as the government "gets off the backs of business" and let's the "marketplace" work itself out, everything will be dandy.


Ah, I have been rebuked!! "People like me!!"

Oh, my.

When they can't say anything constructive, a weak debater will resort to the ad hominum of "pepole like you" as if this is some sort of indictment to which any number of scurrulous things can be attached. Things like child labor, and Dickens, of all people. Why stop there? What about Caligula?

I'm not a proponent of "child labor", but I have to tell you that the Asians are very successful as immigrants here because they are familiar with "work" (we used to call them "chores") from a young age. I had chores on our farm. I think it made me a better person.

The moveon.org commercial that CBS refused to run (I didn't know youn had it in you, Mel) features a lot of scenes of child labor. Of course, this has never been a part of the Bush plan. They suggest that this is a good image to illustrate how the next generation will be paying fror the deficit spending of today. If the country were to never recover from the recession, that would be true. However, the facts of history show that reducing taxes will increase revenues to the treasury.

The dems are really torqued off that this kind of spending program was yanked right out from under them by Bush. They would have spent the same money on the program, but they never would have run such a ridiculous commercial. They would have patted themselves on the back for their caring, their sensitivity, and oh yes, their intelligence.

With reference to OSHA, etc:


I fail to understand why any of these things are bad. Sure, like with about everything else, they have been taken to extremes and therefore marginalized their effectiveness, but each was created to fix a problem.

I'm saying that different areas of the world are developing their laws and goverenments at different rates right now, and eventually there will be a similarity as far as the philosophy of the country and culture allow. While each was created to fix a problem, it can be argued that all of these have, in typical governmnet over-reach, gone too far. We can talk more about that if you want.

So, don't worry. All of the world will be buying Chinese products for some time to come. It's the best way to bring them a change in government, and expose them to the rest of the world. It's interesting that they have had time to look at all of the world's systems and plans, and now appear to be favoring our capitalist system as the most viable model. Hmmm.



Those problems for the most part do not exist today in America. And yet they do in China, and we're doing our best to exploit it. Doesn't seem right to me.

We are voting with our wallets, as someone else mentioned.

If you disagree, don't shop there. If you lose the election, suck it up and move on.
 
Anyone who would spend under $150 for a DVD player deserves exactly what they get, which is a POS.

Like a poster above, I will buy measuring tape, cheapo frying pans, and bulk paper towels at WalMart. Maybe a toaster, too. Nothing more.
 
The real problem isn't TRADE it is FAIR TRADE. China does not have FAIR TRADE with the U.S.
Germany, Japan, Great Britian, and France are a few countries that have FAIR TRADE with the U.S. CHINA DOES NOT HAVE FAIR TRADE

I should go to some poor asian country and do the following:

-employ a bunch of little kids
-keep those same kids chained to their machines
-beat them when they dont work hard
-take the ones that get injuried out back and shoot them
-work them 20 hours a day
-Pollute the environment

then I could send all the toys I make to America for Wal-Mart to sell. WalMart in turn would not buys toys from an American manufacturing who:

-employ adults
-abides by OSHA laws
-Abide by EPA rules
-Abides by all Dep of Labor rules
-pays a living wage
-provides medical and retirement benefits
-invests in my local community
-pays taxes which support my local governement and schools
 
I have no problem buying goods made outside of the USofA.............Unless they are made by slaves living in a communist country.

I have no problem with Wally World squeezing its suppliers for lower prices, I have an enormous problem with Wally World sourcing its goods from COMMUNIST China.


So, I shop at WalMart, but don't buy Chinese. Which means that I don't buy much there other than dog food, cleaning supplies and motor oil.

As to the argument that buying Chinese introduces capitalism to the Chinese, I say hogwash. Buying from China only enables the Chinese government (did I mention that China is COMMUNIST?) to spend more money on little things like ICBMs.

BTW, I recently bought some shop boots and a small stereo from Wal Mart. The shoes were Mexican and the stereo was Malaysian. It's hard to avoid China, but it can be done.

I am willing to pay more for a quality product, and China makes it easy for me to avoid their stuff. Most everything I see from there is junk. I was forced to buy a gear puller at the Tractor Supply store one weekend afternoon (emergency repair). It was Chinese and the jaws were not even equal length. It took four times as long to do the job as it would have take had I been able to use a quality tool.

If the Chinese ever get their quality up to par, were in even more trouble.

regards,
enigma
 
Aren't quality products like Nike that sell for lots of cash usually made in China? It seems like it is hard to buy shoes from anywhere else.
 
kevdog said:
Aren't quality products like Nike that sell for lots of cash usually made in China? It seems like it is hard to buy shoes from anywhere else.

So far, I've been able to find American made NewBalance shoes. My ropers are made in Gods country, and my rockports are from Romania (I think) The only Nikes I own are a set of ACGs made in Indonesia. Like I said, it is possible to find products made in other places than China.

I really can't speak to the quality of Chinese Nikes, because I don't buy them. It is entirely possible that they are first class. I still won't buy them because of their country of origin.

BTW, I've related this before, but I stopped buying Chinese after the readers digest published grainy pictures of naked children standing in vats of tannic acid as they manual agitated (stomped) the acid around cow hides. They hides they were tanning, were slated to go into those cheap shoes that some of us wear so indifferently. That's right, the leather on those Nikes could easily have cost a child permanent physical damage, or death. Not for me, I just can't be a part of it. I don't care how cheap those shoes are.

If anyone is interested, I believe that the article was printed about seven years ago.

regards,
enigma
 
Enigma,

The only problem I have with what you say is that you appear to put all of the "blame" for this on the communist government of China. I respectfully submit that while the communists do have cupability for what they do, the corporation known as Wal-Mart is a typical example of capitalism run amok.

The Chinese are by no means the only people that Wal-Mart exploits. It's activities here at home are far reaching and it takes advantage of American workers, bribes politicians, steals land through abuse of eminent domain law, and destroys hundreds of small businessmen across the country. All to make the billionaire owners richer.

Your analysis is similar to the one we apply to South Americans that grow coca plants and make cocaine, or Afghans that grow poppies and produce heroin. Meanwhile we ignore that market that we more enlighted Americans have created, which is the only thing that makes the "enterprise" of these evil "foreigners" possible.

Until we are willing to recognize our own culpability in these processes, be it Chinese "slave labor" or Afghan poppie raising or Bolivian coca plants, it will continue.

In typical human fashion, it is always easier to blame the other guy for our own failings. I won't hold my breath for the public to change WM by not buying from them. There is far too much greed for that to happen.
 
Much like Enigma and others ... I don't buy products from countries who exploit our fellow human beings. I will go the extra mile to find US goods, and pay a little extra to buy them when I find them. If you're willing to put in the time anyone can do it.

Think this isn't a big deal? You will when your siblings, parents, or children are working those high-paying service industry jobs because there's nothing left.

Buy American ... the job you save may belong to someone close to you.

:)

Minh
 
Surplus, I wasn't trying to place blame. But since you mention blaming China, I do. I also blame cheapskate American consumers, greedy American distributers like ChinaMart, greedy American producers who move overseas in order to take advantage of slave labor, politicians who don't care, and burdensom Federal regulations that have made corporations American plants unprofitable.

I am willing to recognize our culpability in the situation. That's why I go out of my way to support small business and not to support the oppressors, regardless of whether they take the form of foreign dictatorships, or American robber barons.

You write that it's easier to blame the other guy for our own failings. I would agree, but I'm not ready to accept that the problems are related to my own failings.

More later on the capitalism run amok theme.

regards,
enigma

pardon the poor grammer, I'm in a hurry
 
On a side note, bought a package of (Martins) hamburger buns the other day. On the back of the package it had an American flag and stated Made in the USA. While I'm grateful I think it shows how far we have come when we have to "advertise" a bread/food item to be made in America.
 

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