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Rez O. Lewshun

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It's like what Bill Mahar said to the lady dripping in diamonds... "you know they cut peoples arms off to enforce the diamond trade" She responded hopefully but really indifferent..."both arms??"

When a car door is shut in Bentonville, how does it effect the weather in Bejing?

I'd rather have three POS DVD players for $200, than one quality DVD player for $150. GO Wal Mart!!

Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
Retailer Squeezes Its Asian Suppliers to Cut Costs

Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, February 8, 2004; Page A01

SHENZHEN, China -- Inside the factory, amid clattering machinery and clouds of sawdust, men without earplugs or protective goggles feed wood into screaming electric saws, making cabinets for stereo speakers. Women hunch over worktables, many hands bandaged and few covered by gloves, pressing transistors into circuit boards.

Most of the 2,100 workers here are poor migrants from the countryside who have come to this industrial hub in southern China for jobs that pay about $120 a month. A sign on the wall reminds them of their expendability in a nation with hundreds of millions of surplus workers: "If you don't work hard today, tomorrow you'll have to try hard to look for a job."

The calculations driving production here at Shenzhen Baoan Fenda Industrial Co. are no different from those governing global capitalism in general -- make more for less -- but it is applied with particular vigor on this shop floor. Sixty percent of the stereos coming off the line are for one customer: Wal-Mart Stores Inc., whose mastery at squeezing savings from its supply chain made it the world's largest company.

"The profit is really small," said Surely Huang, a factory engineer, speaking of the 350,000 stereos that Fenda agreed in March to supply to the retailer for $30 to $40 each. Huang said they sell for $50 in the United States. "We have to constantly cut costs to satisfy Wal-Mart."

Yet this factory and thousands of others along China's east coast have decided, with China's leaders, that the deal is worth the price. Wal-Mart provides access to vastly more store shelves than they could ever reach by themselves, a way to build a brand from Fort Worth to Frankfurt. Meeting Wal-Mart's strict requirements could improve the factory's efficiency and make it easier to land contracts from other major retailers.
As capital scours the globe for cheaper and more malleable workers, and as poor countries seek multinational companies to provide jobs, lift production and open export markets, Wal-Mart and China have forged themselves into the ultimate joint venture, their symbiosis influencing the terms of labor and consumption the world over.
With sales of more than $245 billion a year, Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the United States, still the ultimate consumer market. China is the most populous country, with 1.3 billion people, most still poor enough to willingly move hundreds of miles from home for jobs that would be shunned by anyone with better prospects. The Communist Party government has become perhaps the world's greatest facilitator of capitalist production, beckoning multinational giants with tax-free zones and harsh punishment for anyone with designs on organizing a labor movement.

More than 80 percent of the 6,000 factories in Wal-Mart's worldwide database of suppliers are in China. Wal-Mart estimates it spent $15 billion on Chinese-made products last year, accounting for nearly one-eighth of all Chinese exports to the United States. If the company that Sam Walton built with his "Made in America" ad campaign were itself a separate nation, it would rank as China's fifth-largest export market, ahead of Germany and Britain.

Back in its home market, Wal-Mart's vast appetite for Chinese imports has placed it at the center of a sharp debate over whether the influx of low-cost products from China is good for Americans.

Domestic manufacturers, labor groups and some politicians point to China's record trade surplus with the United States, estimated to have totaled $120 billion last year, and accuse Beijing of manipulating its currency, condoning the exploitation of its workers and competing unfairly, resulting in the loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs.

But Chinese officials counter that nearly two-thirds of the country's exports are shipped from factories wholly or jointly owned by foreign investors, with Wal-Mart often cited as the prime example, supplying Americans with a steady flow of low-cost, high-quality goods.

With its near-religious devotion to the pursuit of "everyday low prices," Wal-Mart illustrates why U.S.-based multinationals with operations here have not joined in the chorus for protectionism.

"For the benefit of the consumer, we should buy merchandise where we get the best value," said Andrew Tsuei, managing director of Wal-Mart's global procurement center in Shenzhen.

Joe Hatfield, president of Wal-Mart's Asia operations, noted that many of the goods his company buys in China -- toys, furniture, textiles and holiday ornaments -- have mostly not been made in the United States for years. The Bush administration has pressed China to increase the value of its currency, which some argue makes China's goods unfairly cheap on world markets. Hatfield rolled his eyes.

"That would be a travesty to do to the consumer in the United States," he said. "You do that and the cost of living is going to go up."

'Better Than Nothing'


For Wal-Mart and other multinational companies doing business in China, a stable currency, political peace and a compliant workforce are nearly as important as low costs.

"There might be places in other parts of the world where you can buy cheaper, but can you get [the product] on the ship?" Tsuei said. "If we have to look at a country that's not politically stable, you might not get your order on time. If you deal in a country where the currency fluctuates, everyday there is a lot of risk. China happens to have the right mix."

Labor activists in China and abroad say that mix includes the ruling party's ban on independent trade unions -- workers may join only the party-run union -- as well as courts and regulatory agencies controlled by local party officials who are often willing to overlook labor violations to appease businesses that can be milked for taxes, fees and bribes.

The activists argue that as Wal-Mart pits suppliers against one another and squeezes them for the lowest price, the workers suffer.

"Wal-Mart pressures the factory to cut its price, and the factory responds with longer hours or lower pay," said a Chinese labor official, who declined to be named for fear of punishment. "And the workers have no options."

In the city of Dongguan in southern Guangdong province, where Wal-Mart suppliers are concentrated, a 27-year-old worker who gave her name as Miss Qin complained that she can rarely afford meat with her $75-per-month wages at Kaida Toy Co. "Every day we eat vegetables, mostly we eat vegetables," she said, leaning over a plate of fried carrots in a dingy restaurant.

Qin helps make plastic toy trains for Wal-Mart, but says she cannot afford to buy toys for her 9-year-old son. "In four years, they haven't increased the salary," she said.

Kong Xianghong, the No. 2 official for the party-run union in Guangdong province, acknowledged that low wages, long hours and poor conditions are common in factories that supply Wal-Mart and other U.S.-based corporations.

"It's better than nothing," he said. "Labor protections, working conditions and wages are related to a country's level of economic development. Of course, we want better labor protections, but we can't afford it. We need the jobs. We need to guarantee people can eat."

If I don't buy WalMarts crap, the chinese will starve! It's up to me!

Still, Kong said, the party-controlled union has been frustrated that Wal-Mart has refused for three years to allow it to set up branches in the 31 Wal-Mart stores in China -- even though he has assured the company that the union wouldn't help workers struggle for better pay. Wal-Mart has also fought efforts to unionize its U.S. stores.


the rest of the story...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22507-2004Feb7.html
 
The activists argue that as Wal-Mart pits suppliers against one another and squeezes them for the lowest price, the workers suffer.

The "activists" are generally socialists. That's fine that they have their beliefs, but they rarely own up to them.

China is going through the kind of industrial development that we went through decades ago. It seems that WalMArt is being painted as the bad guy for seeking to decrease costs and maximize products. That isn't surprising. The workers in the factory in China have jobs, and are likely working as hard as our grandparents worked, in very similar conditions.

Someday, the chinese workers will have an OSHA-like department, trial lawyers, and a feminist movement. Let not your hearts be troubled, liberal friends. Soon, you will pay much more for everything.
 
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Timebuilder said:
The "activists" are generally socialists. That's fine that they have their beliefs, but they rarely own up to them.

China is going through the kind of industrial development that we went through decades ago. It seems that WalMArt is being painted as the bad guy for seeking to decrease costs and maximize products. That isn't surprising. The workers in the factory in China have jobs, and are likely working as hard as our grandparents worked, in very similar conditions.

Someday, the chinese workers will have an OSHA-like department, trial lawyers, and a feminist movement. Let not your herarts be troubled, liberal friends. Soon, you will pay much more for everything.

Time builder,

Walmart is justified in many things that it does. It is running a ligitimate business. Wal Mart ethics are debatable. Not sure if your history lesson is a means that justifies the end.

We were a democracy when our grandparents were economically depressed, politically oppressed and physically tortured.

Someday..yes, but first China has to become a democracy. So, your someday plus my democratic China equals OSHA, lawyers and feminist. A little longer than you suggest, me thinks.

Here is my prediction. WalMart is going to get spanked real hard by the US Gov't or some other group for unfair business practices. Anti-trust, what have you. Kinda like Microsoft. Just my gut feeling. No logic or intelligence to back that up.

In the end, I think the consumer should define the market, not Wal Mart. I mean, what the he11 do I need a gallon of Vlasic pickels for even though they are cheaper than a half gallon at piggly wiggly? The damm things will rot before it's half empty. (opps does that make a pessimist?):D
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:

In the end, I think the consumer should define the market, not Wal Mart. I mean, what the he11 do I need a gallon of Vlasic pickels for even though they are cheaper than a half gallon at piggly wiggly? The damm things will rot before it's half empty. (opps does that make a pessimist?):D

The consumer DOES define the market because the consumer looks for the best price. That's why capital moves to the lowest cost source.
If I can save a dollar on the cost of a $20 retail item, my profit on that item increases by a dollar. Absent the cost reduction, I would have to sell many more pieces of that item to make that one dollar extra profit.

I wonder how much the $150 DVD player would cost if it were made in the USA by workers making $120 a DAY instead of Chinese workers making $120 a MONTH.

I wonder how many of the Chinese workers are unhappy to be earning $120 a MONTH rather than the $120 a YEAR they were earning previously.

Is there an analogy here to the success of low cost air carriers?
 
Timebuilder:

People like you would be right at home in good ol' Dickensian England. Child labor, 18-hour days 7 days a week, loosing limbs in machines, union activists being roughed up by management goons. As long as the government "gets off the backs of business" and let's the "marketplace" work itself out, everything will be dandy.

Anyone who tries to improve the lot of the working man is labelled a "socialist" and therefore tainted, right?

Some of us like to believe in a progressive evolution for mankind, not regresive.

Do you know why I mentioned Dickens? He was a SOCIALIST. Oh my God, now we can't read "A Christmas Carol" anymore. Burn all your copies! Repent!
 
a few months back, i heard an interview from the author of a new book that came out about the evil walMart. it was something along the lines of their insistence that the suppliers costs actually need to go down something like 5% per year, and this has in effect forced alot of manufacturers to become nothing more than buyers/resellers of products made overseas to be sold to the evil WalMart.

i believe the reference company was Levis, they apparently have a whole line of jeans now that they no longer have anything to do with other than buying them from overseas factories and sticking their label on them.

...anyone else hear similar, or know the name of this book?
 
Timebuilder said:
Someday, the chinese workers will have an OSHA-like department, trial lawyers, and a feminist movement. Let not your herarts be troubled, liberal friends. Soon, you will pay much more for everything. [/B]

I fail to understand why any of these things are bad. Sure, like with about everything else, they have been taken to extremes and therefore marginalized their effectiveness, but each was created to fix a problem.

Those problems for the most part do not exist today in America. And yet they do in China, and we're doing our best to exploit it. Doesn't seem right to me.
 
wingnutt said:
a few months back, i heard an interview from the author of a new book that came out about the evil walMart. it was something along the lines of their insistence that the suppliers costs actually need to go down something like 5% per year, and this has in effect forced alot of manufacturers to become nothing more than buyers/resellers of products made overseas to be sold to the evil WalMart.

i believe the reference company was Levis, they apparently have a whole line of jeans now that they no longer have anything to do with other than buying them from overseas factories and sticking their label on them.

...anyone else hear similar, or know the name of this book?

You may be thinking of the book, "How Wal-Mart is Destroying America". Don't know if that is the exact title and I don't remember the name of the author. I read the book over the Christmas holiday. While it is not a literary master piece, the author makes some very good points despite his being too emotional. Wal-Mart is not the good neighbor as Paul Harvey advertises. They are a bully to the community as well as their vendors. My own experience with Wal-Mart on the shipping end is they are a pain to put it mildly. For example, a vendor will ship 4 cartons of a product but they'll repack it in one box to save shipping costs. Wal-Mart will say they only received one box and say the vendor shorted them 3 cartons despite the weight being on the shipping document which coincides with the 4 cartons. There are a few vendors who have throttled back or stopped selling to Wal-Mart because of their bullying/thug tactics.
I don't think it is Levi's who moved out of the USA because of Wal-Mart because Levi's weren't sold there (could be wrong). It was a box fan company outside of Chicago. They made a great box fan that lasted and lasted.
Guess price is king whether it be Wal-Mart or airline tickets. We're a fickled country, won't spend more than $200 on an airline ticket but will gladly pay $60 for a NBA game ticket, $129 for a night at the Hilton, or $70K for a Beemer. Go figure.
 
That vender should have ship the product by "count" and not by number of boxes. Or else if Wal-Mart wants the 4 boxes then the vender should ship the 4 boxes packed with one product each and charge Wal-Mart the shipping costs.
 

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