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18K please?, DA20 F/O starting is $35K, most make $40K first year. Tops out at $175/hr, this is low pay? Gross of $150K/yr is low pay? Don't think it is the pay, it is the non-sked thing, living on a cell phone at KYIP, most pilots are not cut out for this kind of work.

Hmmmm...I don't know many flight school grads that are on a DA 20 or other jet that make that much. I'm sure there are some but not many. Top ut pay is not what we were talking about, not sure how you missed this. Regardless of a pilot shortage, if a job was posted paying 175k you would have no shortage of applicants

On the shortage, All the major airlines have the same 5000 resumes and applications, just like 1996 when they said they had 10,000 and there would never be shortage. Then came 1999, SWA dropped the 73 type needed to interview, UAL, NWA dropped this college degree thing in order to fill classes. True UPS, Fed Ex and SWA will never have a real storage, however they might redefine their "Competitive hiring mins"

Great, the mins were dropped and they got more than enough applicants that were qualified for the job....Not a pilot shortage. Pilot shortage by definition would suggest a lack qualified pilots for a job......a 4 year dergee or a 73 type is not an indication of "qualified"..it is just a standard that an individual airline uses to weed out the thousands of apps that they have on file.

The truth sucks.....I probably have too much tile to be hired by Fedex....it sucks but thats the way it goes.

You might be right, and then again I might be right. Only time knows the true answer. But we are already seeing it.


You have that right....time will tell. Honestly I hope there is a huge shortage....maybe the commuters and for that matter the majors will finally pay pilots a wage that equals the responsibility pilots take on every day and not to mention the time we are not home with our wife and kids.

Good Luck to all

Drvr
 
If Avbug was still here we would scolded for using the term 'shortage", they will never be a shortage in his words, but there will be a hiring boom the likes of 1965, 1986, 1999
 
When they were hiring in 2007, UPS did not have a hard requirement for a degree.

True, but when I talked to them at an Air Inc. job fair that year, they said I shouldn't even bother handing in a resume until I had finished the degree. It wasn't a minimum in writing, but it was in practice.
 
True, but when I talked to them at an Air Inc. job fair that year, they said I shouldn't even bother handing in a resume until I had finished the degree. It wasn't a minimum in writing, but it was in practice.
Did you have any 74 PIC time?
 
Did you have any 74 PIC time?

Obviously not. :) But I don't think it would have mattered if I did. They had enough applicants at the time with widebody time that they could be that picky.
 

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