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a320drivr

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Effective immediately, the TSA now requires that all employees going through the security checkpoints for screening must remove their badge from the pouch or lanyard and physically hand their badge to the TSA document checker for verification.

This is a nation wide requirement – the TSA thanks us for our cooperation

This was sent out to us today by our company.
 
Look at it this way... they're encouraging more pilots to join the FFDO program and make our skies even safer.
 
Hmmm. I hope they don't start asking for certificates, because I ain't surrendering my certificate to anybody who can't read it in the first place (TSA agent). In fact, that is probably why they are requiring the removal of the IDs, because them little word critters r 2 fer away to see in erder ta use phonics to sownd out thm funny lookin' words on that ther' ID teg.
 
I'll be the first to admit that, over the years, the TSA has come up with some really pointless (lets make the dumb public feel safe) rules. This one though, I don't find all that bad. I dare you to go to any bar on a friday or saturday night and try to count on one hand the number of minors chugging down a cold one with a fake id in their pocket. ID's aren't too difficult to replicate. Lets face it. Our airline ID's aren't anything more than a piece of plastic with our picture on it. It wouldn't be too difficult to duplicate a crew badge that would look real. Especially at a quick glance from a distance through a plastic pouch.

Again, I'm NOT defending the TSA. I'm just saying that this particular rule isn't all that unresonable.
 
Being an FFDO won't make that part any easier. You get to bypass security, but they give your ID much more scrutiny. They take your crew ID and creds and check them very closely for authenticity. Some airports even ask for a third or fourth form of picture ID. This aggravates many FFDOs, but hello, they're letting you through with a loaded handgun. All law enforcement get the same scrutiny.
 
If I'm reading this correctly, all you have to do is actually hand your I.D. to the checker. IOW, you can't just wave it at them anymore. So, as I read it, simply take off your lanyard, or unclip your badge from your shirt and hand the whole thing to them. I don't think you have to actually slide it out of the plastic sleeve. Anybody else read it the same way?
 
Vne said:
Hay Alpa Where The F*** Is The Universal Access Id System You Promised
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Prater "took it back"

they determined after a "some colored" ribbon panel that the UAIS wasn't going to net them an extra 2% like recruiting fdx or cal or age 65 would so it was dropped.

UAIS wasn't going to pay for the BOD meeting on a yatch in miami so its on the back burner.
 
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7574EVER said:
I'll be the first to admit that, over the years, the TSA has come up with some really pointless (lets make the dumb public feel safe) rules. This one though, I don't find all that bad. I dare you to go to any bar on a friday or saturday night and try to count on one hand the number of minors chugging down a cold one with a fake id in their pocket. ID's aren't too difficult to replicate. Lets face it. Our airline ID's aren't anything more than a piece of plastic with our picture on it. It wouldn't be too difficult to duplicate a crew badge that would look real. Especially at a quick glance from a distance through a plastic pouch.

Again, I'm NOT defending the TSA. I'm just saying that this particular rule isn't all that unresonable.
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Although I think some of the TSA rules are ridiculous, I agree with you here. I don't think it's that big of a deal (dang! My honey is right.....the pregnancy hormones have made me "normal").
 
I really think they ought to combine this ID hand over with a sobriety test too. Like when Steve Martin had to walk backwards, cite the alphabet backwards and do flips too...
 
This all started when a regional FO in CLE photo copied his ID to use in his wallet instead of carrying around his ID at overnights, restaurants etc. He lost the real ID and was using the photocopy until he could pay for a replacement.

Go get em.
 
And do you think TSA actually trained their screeners how to spot a phoney ID... I would take a stab at no.. but it looks like they are doing more... All I need more useless window dressing...
 
I'm Nick Pappagiorgio, from Yuma. Last time I airlined in civvies the TSA dude checked my DL with a blue penlight or something similar. Guess it helps with the holograms most states use. Maybe they're cracking down on all IDs, not just crew.
 
Vne said:
Hay Alpa Where The F*** Is The Universal Access Id System You Promised
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Yep, ALPA can just snap its fingure and make Washington jump.

I'm sure ALPA is doing the best it can on eliminating the hassle factor generated from Washington. With 14% of ALPA pilots contributing to ALPA-PAC I'm sure they have unlimited resources to fight this fight and the countless others in D.C.:rolleyes:
 
Yep, ALPA can just snap its fingure and make Washington jump.

I'm sure ALPA is doing the best it can on eliminating the hassle factor generated from Washington. With 14% of ALPA pilots contributing to ALPA-PAC I'm sure they have unlimited resources to fight this fight and the countless others in D.C.:rolleyes:
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How long did it take for the rampers to get a pass around security?........ALPA cant use their PAC?
Excuses - thats all ALPA can give, What happened to "takeing it back"...its all for show and you think its because we cant fund a PAC.......
 
Supposedly this is the new policy but in typical TSA form, about 10% of airports Ive been to are even following this policy. This policy is a joke and if enough people speak up on how stupid this is, it will get dropped.
 
Its called a "Hands-on" ID check. The DOD has used this for years...prolly just made its way over to the TSA somehow.
 
All of this TSA rigamarole is pure horsesh!t.

all Osama has to do is recruit a radical mom with her newborn. She disguises the bomb as a bottle of baby formula.

Hundreds perish, after trillions of man hours and millions of dollars wasted with the ridiculous "zip-top bag" and "no bottled water" policy that is currently in effect. The current secuity policy is laughable and embarrasing. The only people penalized are law-abiding folks.

Terrorists can breach this silliness any time they want.

Go TSA!!!
 
dtfl said:
Its called a "Hands-on" ID check. The DOD has used this for years...prolly just made its way over to the TSA somehow.
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I've seen the "hands-on" check at a non-DOD Gov't agency where all they do is touch the ID to fill that square. I feel safer already....
 
NuGuy said:
You could always do the ID equivilent of the "stinky palm"

Nu
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I'm more worried about the opposite. The TSA agent now has to physically check every ID, from every sicko, non-hand-washing yokel who goes through security, which means that anything on THEIR ID's are now on YOUR ID. Great, one more thing to disinfect. :puke:

Be careful not to forget your ID when you go through security. Yet another potential headache.
 
Vne said:
How long did it take for the rampers to get a pass around security?........ALPA cant use their PAC?
Excuses - thats all ALPA can give, What happened to "takeing it back"...its all for show and you think its because we cant fund a PAC.......
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Let me see, I can get arond security at my domicile in ATL by using the employee bus, just like a ramper.

Now I don't think that same ramper can get around security in CVG if he comes to the airport from the hotel now can he?

Well I don't think it's all show. Can you use an off line jumpseat? Were you able to after 9-11.

Yes things take time when you are dealing with a beauracracy and yes it doesn't help that 86% of ALPA pilots are too lazy, cheap or stupid to fund their own political action committee.

It always amuses me how the pilots that are least involved are also the biggest whiners and complainers.
 
Yes things take time when you are dealing with a beauracracy and yes it doesn't help that 86% of ALPA pilots are too lazy, cheap or stupid to fund their own political action committee.
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WWII took less time.....
Age 65 took what a week after they put the bums rush on it what PAC was that?
Crew members are treated as suspects funding PACs has nothing to do with it.

A national union with a political hack mentality instead of a serve the workers mission is the reason....
 
I have yet to have a TSA agent physically take my ID at my base airport. Since they apparently can violate me for not inspecting my airplane as they say I should, does that me we can violate them for not inspecting our IDs as they say they should? For some reason, I doubt it.
 
Umm You still have to go through security whether you are a crew member or not. So if you wanted to forge documest you could either forge a peice of plastice with a holigram in it or a small piece of construction paper called a boarding pass.
 

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