More terminations at FLOPS

[TurboHonda]

I was talking about THIS SITE!!!!! Cmon man, work with me.... you guys need to get creative, get some cahones and support each other... for crying out loud!!!

Due to your signature, www.asapflightdeck.com, your post was a little confusing to me.

This site, www.flightinfo.com, is an anonymous site where aliases are used.

www.asapflightdeck.com will take you to the IBT1108 board, which is a private site and real names are used.

The information that was used to fire the pilot was taken from the IBT1108 board, by management and with the assistance of a company rat who was a member of that board.

Cahones abound on the union board and support is growing daily. It's just a matter of time until Sean Michael will be riding his golden parachute to some other gullible and unsuspecting company.

 

[clickclickboom]

I was talking about THIS SITE!!!!! Cmon man, work with me.... you guys need to get creative, get some cahones and support each other... for crying out loud!!!

Guys I did 7.5 years with Flops. Call it what you want but I have closely followed the health of the company very closely from the good ole Ricci days until the current $hitringa buffoonery. If this sounds like you : " Hey I will ride this until the end afterall I am sitting in the left seat of my hawker making $68,000 per year and Net Jets got their contract and we will two" or " I know I have been in the rt seat for 5 years but with things in the crapper here lots of guys are leaving and I will be able to move up rapidly when we get our contract"

If either of those statements represent your mindset I highly suggest you take every penny you have the next time you are in LAS walk over to the hard rock and throw it all down on the roulette table because your chances are better.

Raytheon is selling the Biz jet division, Flops has been losing millions and millions regardless of their continuous cost cutting measures, The big jets or a large majority of them have been sold leaving that craphole legacy that the high rollers hate because they think it is a glorified commuter, Your benefits are going through the roof, MX bases are being shut down, and they have a so called surplus of employees.

Wake up guys this company is not viable for a buy out by anyone.. The ONLY thing of value is the Aircraft and once the deal is closed with Raytheon for their aircraft division and their is no fear of bad blood with perspective customers that got hosed the board of directors will exercise their clause in the contract to buy out the customers take a one time loss and close the doors..

I truly hope you are smart enough to get plan B into action asap as Scheeringa is not making short term decisions for the long term viability of Flops

Unity with your IBT brothers are not going to save this sinking ship unfortunately

 

[WrknStff]

I went with plan B as soon as netjets signed their contract and got the hell out for far greener pastures and the different tie. Why there are any first officers still working there when they could have beat feet is beyond me.

 

[TurboHonda]

Plan B

Not everyone has or wants a "plan B".

Some of us still live our lives, based on what's right. Letting little temporary slimeballs like Sheeringa drive us from our homes is not right.

Call me a boy scout, if you like, but I'll continue to live on my feet and not my knees. I may not make it through the day with this company, but I'll be either upright or prone when I leave. Not some position in between.

 

[RNObased]

Not everyone has or wants a "plan B".

Some of us still live our lives, based on what's right. Letting little temporary slimeballs like Sheeringa drive us from our homes is not right.

Call me a boy scout, if you like, but I'll continue to live on my feet and not my knees. I may not make it through the day with this company, but I'll be either upright or prone when I leave. Not some position in between.

Not to be a smart ass Turbo, that is very nobal and all that, however not very realistic. If I was you I would listen to clickclickboom and at least devolop a plan B. You sound a lot like a guy who I spoke with earlier in the month. No matter what my partner and I said to him, we couldn't get him to look at other options with regard to employment.

If you don't do something you may be living like a Boy Scout, that is in a tent, if FLOPS goes down hard. It never hurt to have options open, I'm sure you have plenty of friends that would help you also.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Turbo....I commend you for your pride....I felt the same way you do now when I walked the line against Lorenzo.

 

[IronManNDFW]

The difference is that Mother will kill it's last child to stop a Union. When we were seperate companies we were both cash cows. However Mother Raytheon kept hiring idiots to kill off our company.

Looks like they are accelerating the pace, giving the continuing insanity and stupididity practiced by our CEO & DO.

What a shame. I think I'll offer Mother .05 for the whole shebang and see if she bites!

 

[Freedom]

Doom and Gloom? We STILL are a Cash Cow!

Think about this:

When someone buys an Airplane Share, they are paying their share cost, whether it be 1/16th, 1/4, or somewhere in between at Full Retail Price!

Can you imagine the Profits at your local Car Lot if everyone paid Sticker? That is what's happening at Flight Options.

Then, the Owners sign a 5 to 7 year Contract to cover all the Fixed Costs of Operating the Jet over 5 to 7 years, even if it never moves an inch.

Should said Owner wish to actually use their Share, they are then hit up with an Hourly Fee to cover costs such as Fuel, Deice, Ground Services, etc, all be it at an inflated rate.

What a Racket!

Why do they pay these insane costs to fly Privately? The Fractional's Safety Record. To date, an Owner has yet to be killed by one of the Big 4 Fractional Providers. Compare that to the Charter Fatal Crashes making the News left and right.

If an Owner wants the Safety of Corporate Flying, but cannot justify the cost of owning the airplane outright, Fractional is his only option.

So do I see the doors closing because of a sale of Raytheon Aircraft? I do not. We are still a Cash Cow. But the risk I do see is that if we continue to let Scheeriga degrade our Quality of Life down to the Commuter level, with the dynamic flying environment we operate in, eventually, something is going to give, a Crew will make a terrible mistake, and the first Owner Fatality at the Fractionals will be at Flight Options. That is more of a threat to our existence than anything else.

We need to come together as a Pilot Group, stand up to Scheeringa, and send him packing. If we don't, the Day I spoke of will be lurking closer and closer. Scheeringa is the threat to our existence, not a Liquidation.

Keep that in mind the next time you consider doing the Company a Favor by looking the other way. Scheeringa's job performance is based upon him hitting the numbers given to him by the Board. If he does not, he is History.

Freedom.

 

[nerdpilot]

Guys I did 7.5 years with Flops. Call it what you want but I have closely followed the health of the company very closely from the good ole Ricci days until the current $hitringa buffoonery. If this sounds like you : " Hey I will ride this until the end afterall I am sitting in the left seat of my hawker making $68,000 per year and Net Jets got their contract and we will two" or " I know I have been in the rt seat for 5 years but with things in the crapper here lots of guys are leaving and I will be able to move up rapidly when we get our contract"

If either of those statements represent your mindset I highly suggest you take every penny you have the next time you are in LAS walk over to the hard rock and throw it all down on the roulette table because your chances are better.

Raytheon is selling the Biz jet division, Flops has been losing millions and millions regardless of their continuous cost cutting measures, The big jets or a large majority of them have been sold leaving that craphole legacy that the high rollers hate because they think it is a glorified commuter, Your benefits are going through the roof, MX bases are being shut down, and they have a so called surplus of employees.

Wake up guys this company is not viable for a buy out by anyone.. The ONLY thing of value is the Aircraft and once the deal is closed with Raytheon for their aircraft division and their is no fear of bad blood with perspective customers that got hosed the board of directors will exercise their clause in the contract to buy out the customers take a one time loss and close the doors..

I truly hope you are smart enough to get plan B into action asap as Scheeringa is not making short term decisions for the long term viability of Flops

Unity with your IBT brothers are not going to save this sinking ship unfortunately

Somebody is making sense........sounds like a logical pilot always having a way out. The bottom of Flops senority has had plenty of warning about the possibility of losing their jobs and still they stay for hopefully a very good reason. I know flops likes to hire guys with little to no experience or guys without a degree or guys with violations or dwi's. Hopefully the union will have a contract before the place goes belly up but that is a longshot. Take your type ratings and run to Columbus and work for a company with a real future.

 

[clickclickboom]

Not everyone has or wants a "plan B".

Some of us still live our lives, based on what's right. Letting little temporary slimeballs like Sheeringa drive us from our homes is not right.

Call me a boy scout, if you like, but I'll continue to live on my feet and not my knees. I may not make it through the day with this company, but I'll be either upright or prone when I leave. Not some position in between.

You are exactly what $hitringa uses to giggle himself to bed at night.. He says to himself: " Look at all these tools talking about fighting the noble battle with me while i line my pockets in preparation for my goldenparachute" You dont even know it but you already lost the battle.

Personally I won I extended my middle finger in salute and went to a company that apopreciates my contributions.

Wake up my man they dont like unemployed pilots bringing their kids to the soup kitchen