More Mesa Flying for Delta!

[WSurf]

Right....Unfortunately the people who matter, the flying public, doesnt see it the same way.

The folks don't give a crap what they are on! All these people care about is a cheap ticket! They want the plane on time and with there bags! We fill the Dash 8's up all the time! He get just as many remarks on the Dash as the small jets do! Bottom line is ticket price!!!
I had to fly on a 2hr flight on the Taco Rocket!!!! Now you talk about pure and simple pain!!!! Dash 8 anyday over that thing!!

 

[WSurf]

I know, I know. The reason I posted that was because he always tells me I am childish and then says "no points for you." It was an easy target.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You know I like you General!!! Your my Hero!! Now give me a point!!!

 

[General Lee]

You know I like you General!!! Your my Hero!! Now give me a point!!!

Ok, you get a point. But the next one WILL NOT BE THIS EASY.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dvmthwsvan]

So is this going to be new markets out of JFK or is it going to replace Comair on current routes.

 

[imacdog]

So is this going to be new markets out of JFK or is it going to replace Comair on current routes.

Looks like they are a combination of new markets and additional flights on existing routes. Comair will also be picking up some of the new flights.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

 

[bitememesa]

Ya know, none of you would be freaking out about this if Comair suddenly decided to fly Dash-8s for Delta. You only have a problem with it because it's Mesa. The statements about european carriers transferring back to the Q300/400 is correct. Heck, look at Horizon. You think they'd fly those Q400s if they thought the passengers didn't like them?

 

[WSurf]

I don't think its that the passengers love them! But once they completed there flight, well there like man..... that wasn't bad at all. You get in this thing, the cabin is way bigger the the Embryo 145. When in cruise flight, the Dash is quieter the the Embryo, it handles bumps better! Easier to turn, Dash 8 300's you can carry a full boat, fuel and bags. Bottom line it has a way bigger profit margin. Yep, it has props.... but today its all about cash money! And the 50 RJ is gonna be the first to start being phased out...

www.q400.com

 

[PropPiedmont]

Where are they getting these aircraft? Are they new, or being transferred from the America West or United system?

Billy

There are 3 Dash 8-200s sitting in INT and we will be returning 9 more. 9 + 3 = 12.

"The aircraft will be operated under a capacity purchase arrangement similar to Mesa's existing Delta Connection agreement under which Freedom Airlines flies 50-passenger regional jets. The Dash 8s covered under this agreement will be incremental to the 16 Dash 8 aircraft currently operated by Mesa Air Group."

"......incremental to the 16 Dash 8....."

Guess we're probably supplying more Dash 8s to Mesa. They got a bunch from our last set of lease returns too.

 

[WSurf]

Yep, are they still yanking the APU's out of them??? Mesa, that is!

 

[PropPiedmont]

http://www.aviatorsale.com/aix4210/

 

[Popeye0537]

I don't think its that the passengers love them! But once they completed there flight, well there like man..... that wasn't bad at all. You get in this thing, the cabin is way bigger the the Embryo 145. When in cruise flight, the Dash is quieter the the Embryo, it handles bumps better! Easier to turn, Dash 8 300's you can carry a full boat, fuel and bags. Bottom line it has a way bigger profit margin. Yep, it has props.... but today its all about cash money! And the 50 RJ is gonna be the first to start being phased out...

www.q400.com

Way bigger??? 6'5" vs 6'0 internal cabin height...wow 5", I know you know what 5"'s looks like and I don't consider it "way bigger"

 

[Paris]

I know you know what 5"'s looks like and I don't consider it "way bigger"

Too easy, its not even worth it.

 

[WSurf]

Way bigger??? 6'5" vs 6'0 internal cabin height...wow 5", I know you know what 5"'s looks like and I don't consider it "way bigger"

Your girlfriend thought it was 'way bigger', and she loved the extra couple of inches however!!!!

 

[spiffomatic]

The stupid insults that get tossed back in a public forum really are painful to read sometimes - despite that, if you're near or over 6' tall, a 6'5" cabin truly is "way bigger" than the spine bending ERJ cabin. As a pax I'd prefer the time savings of the jet speed and accept a little more noise (it's relative to where you're sitting in the cabin as well) and some cabin height (doesn't matter when you're sitting down) - but the ERJ cabin truly is a little short.

 

[PropPiedmont]

I'm 6'1" and the ERJ cabins are torture. The CRJ cabins are better, but with the overhead bins at my ears and having to bend a bit in the aisle, it makes me claustrophobic.

The Dash cabin without a doubt is the most comfortable for me. No contorting myself to get through the cabin.

I'm not knocking the jets or anything. All I'm saying is that the cabin on the Dash is the biggest and most comfortable for a person of my size.

 

[WickedPissa]

Park em all. Bring back the BAC 111's and DC-9's so everyone can make more money.

 

[suupah]

How can these airlines gain passengers while they continue to use the lowest ball
Airlines??? Unbelievable!

I don't think you get it. The passenger is only going to spend a few hours or even less on the airplanes. they are willing to suck it up for the cheapest rate possible.

I mean, everyone one i know tries to find the cheapest fare possible. Price is King in this industry right now.

 

[jetflier]

Just what I want to do, ride on a Dash 8. I think not!!!! Delta is really really going down the tubes folks. What next, new flying in the wonderful 1900 or Jetscreem 31.

Don't knock it. The Dash 8 is much wider , taller roomier cabin thyan the CRJ or EMB 145 series.

It might be slower but pax would have less of the sardine feeling.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I noticed not all these are "brand new" routes.

They are adding 2 rountrips to Detroit and that will bring the total up to 3 a day, that is how many they had before the December 1st schedule cuts.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

[the Dash-8] might be slower but pax would have less of the sardine feeling.

The Dash-8 is hotter, noisier, and vibrates....pax would have more of the marinated-catfish-smoothie feeling!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Park em all. Bring back the BAC 111's and DC-9's so everyone can make more money.

yeah! And the Eastern B727-100 "Whisperjet" (jeez, that thing crackled!)

 

[EMBPILOT1]

Don't knock it. The Dash 8 is much wider , taller roomier cabin thyan the CRJ or EMB 145 series.

It might be slower but pax would have less of the sardine feeling.

I WILL knock because I do not like the Dash. If you like it, that's your opinion. I flew turbo props for many years. Loved the SAAB, due to it being a wider, taller, roomier airplane as a 30 seat config. Do I want to sit on a RJ for 2 hours? Hell no!! If the RJ flew the routes they were designed to and not taking over mainline routes, most people would not complain.

And yes I did ride on Dash 8's all the time from MDT-PHL. Thouhgt of it as just another turbo-prop. And I felt just like a sardine on the Dash.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

From a passenger stand point, pretending I am not a pilot here that is riding JS......

The 145 is one of the most uncomfortable airplanes I have ever ridden in. The cabin is a good 2 or three inches too short to stand up in, the seats were built for someone other than the average american (Asians would be my guess), it is loud, has numerous head whacking items sticking out (bins, etc.)

It reminds me of a corporate jet, except on a corporate jet you have 40 less seats crammed in it. In my view, any of the cabin class turboprops is the much better choice for the passenger on a flight of two hours or less.(D-8, Do-328, Slab 340 etc.)

Emb. really missed the mark with that design, very few redeeming qualities as far as the pax are concerened.

 

[CitationLover]

Emb. really missed the mark with that design, very few redeeming qualities as far as the pax are concerened.

i'm sure they feel that way after delivering #400, #500, #600, #700, #800, etc. they're laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

i'm sure they feel that way after delivering #400, #500, #600, #700, #800, etc. they're laughing all the way to the bank.

Never said it didn't sell well, but then again, the only reason it did was because they could find pilots to fly them for next to nothing.

Like a former CEO of Airways once said....."The RJ is a Union Buster" And that is a direct quote.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

Emb. really missed the mark with that design, very few redeeming qualities as far as the pax are concerened.

I have to disagree with that one. It was designed to replace turbo props, not MD 80's and 737's, which is what it has done. But hey, as long as the prices are low, people will ride anything, right???:beer:

 

[Deacon]

It's interesting that DAL doesn't want to operate ATRs from ATL to VLD or ABY where there is no competition, but they'll put Mesa Dash 8s at JFK where everybody and his brother flies. Can you say schizophrenic?

Again, another brilliant move by the DAL management......I don't think these guys will ever get it right

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

I have to disagree with that one. I was designed to replace turbo props, not MD 80's and 737's, which is what it has done. But hey, as long as the prices are low, people will ride anything, right???:beer:

If it had replaced the turboprops you would be correct, while not providing the comfort of the turboprops (Cabin and seat size) it was much faster so the pax would only have to sit in it half the time. However the last time I rode the thing it was a 2.5 hour leg......I thought it was going to take a team of chiropractors to straighten my 6,2 frame out by the time I was released back into the wild!

 

[EMBPILOT1]

OK, you just made my point. And I just rode a Dash from MDT to PHL and couldn't hear for 2 hours. It's all relative.