More drag on Delta, the ACA opportunity

[MedFlyer]

Someone on the Dalpa website just brought up this point: How can we have a codeshare with AAmerican Eagle in LAX when their owner (AA) has planes over 70 seats? Why wouldn't we still use ACA?

Bye Bye--General Lee

The relationship is different. The Eagle relationship is just a codeshare and nothing more. Remember, DL also codeshares with Air France, Continental, Northwest, Aeromexico, Korean, etc and obviously all of these carriers operate planes greater than 70 seats.

In the case of ACA, DL isn't just codesharing. DL controls where ACA flys the DoJo's and what schedules they fly. DL controls all the inventory on an ACA DoJo and is responsible for determining how to sell it.

With Eagle, DL is just slapping a code on a flight. DL has no control over Eagles' schedules or inventory. Eagle isn't part of the Delta Connection program, they are just a codeshare partner who happens to fly small "Connection size" planes. No different than South African, Northwest or Air Jamaica.

 

[crshpdlifr]

Skyway Airlines thinks....

You guys all bring up some good points.

Get this, Skyway Airlines is hell bent on thinking they are getting the Dorkjets. I would be nice for us, but like all things in aviation don't believe it till your sitting in it.

 

[WhiteCloud]

I don't think ACA is stupid enough to confront the 800 lb gorilla that is Delta by going head to head on routes out of Dulles - especially in light of JetBlue getting whacked. I would think the company would either be developing new non-stop Dulles markets or taking on USAir (also UAL by default out of IAD) which are much weaker.

All these "800 lb." gorrillas are slipping on bananas. ACA is getting out of the business of serving the big dinosaurs and going off of their own. Whether it's sooner or later, I AIR will be competing with Delta UAL and others in the big jet market place. Can Delta compete?

 

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Re: Careful what you wish for!

This whole RJDC thing is a bunch of $h!t. Be careful what you wish for. If RJDC gets their way and scope at the mainline is gutted the next thing you know alter-egoes will spring from the woodwork to capture ASA and CMR jobs.

What would prevent ASA management from starting a Freedom Air type operation and siphoning all these newly won airframes to a non-union operation????

This quote really illustrates that you do not understand ALPA's Constitution and Bylaws and the union's policy on alter ego airlines ( prior to being hijacked by the Delta MEC ).

ALPA's long established policy is that if two airlines are "operationally integrated" then they should be merged per ALPA's protocols. Mergers would make scope stronger, as alter ego airlines are eliminated.

The Delta MEC let the codeshare cat out of the bag to begin with. All Delta flying used to be performed by Delta pilots - until the day the Delta MEC agreed to a contract that subcontracted out flying that they did not want to perform.

Now other airlines perform that flying, with other pilots that are represented by ALPA. ALPA's Constitution clearly states that National's role is to not allow one member to use the union to harm another member ( Section 8, and also repeated elsewhere ).

So General asks, how does shutting off work to ACA violate ALPA's duty to ALPA members - well the Judge in the RJDC case said that "cutting off work" is a criteria used to determine whether a union has breached its duty to represent its ( meaning all ) members fairly.

This is all continued fall out from what happened at the 2000 ALPA Board of Director's meeting and even RJDC detractors must admit, what the RJDC said would happen, has happened.

General, you claim to care so much about the furloughees; if so, why don't you acknowledge that if Giambusso had not lied at the 2000 BOD and created this irrational fear that ASA and Comair pilots were trying to "steal seniority" there would be no furloughees. If the Delta MEC had placed a higher priority on unionism and their role within ALPA, over the interests of pilots still in the military, we would not have this alter ego problem today. One list would have worked for you and would have given us a future without constant attack from our own union.

Your own worst enemy is the policies adopted by your MEC, not us, and not the RJDC.

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[wms]

The continued growth at DCI would have offset the mainline furloughs and there may not have been any furloughs at all. Just stagnation at DCI as a result of displacements from DAL to DCI, and the 1060 would still be employed. But in 2000 who would've thought the economy would have gone in this direction. It's all 20/20 hind-sight now, but there is an opportunity to learn from the mistakes that were made and staple the lists. And it doesn't take the RJDC to do it.

 

[J32driver]

~~~^~~~... very well said.