More DAL furloughs

[FlyingSig]

Surprised it hasn't been posted yet...

75 more effective November 1... brings the total to 993

DAL holds onto its record of being the only airline to furlough every single month this year.....

 

[tbkane]

Make that every single month for a year since 11/1/01 when I got kicked to the curb.

 

[Boeingman]

Are the rumors true about more pilot furloughs planned then what was previously announced?

 

[FlyingSig]

Make that every single month for a year since 11/1/01 when I got kicked to the curb.

Actually, they skipped Dec '01, but it's been a constant flow since then.....

 

[FlyingSig]

Are the rumors true about more pilot furloughs planned then what was previously announced?

Hope not. What rumors have you heard? The only thing I've heard all year is "up to 1400" and it sure looks like they're trying to get as close to that number as they can.

 

[grinder]

This has gotten to be a bloodbath. I think they are trying to make it as painful as possible so that they can cut a better deal when they ask for it. And you know they will. Furlough sucks.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Furlough sucks.

Can I get an AMEN? Been on the street for almost ten months now. At least there are tons of good paying jobs out there. AND, everyoned I talk to just LOVES offering jobs to us furloughed folks.

Interviewer: "I see here that you have been convicted of beating your grandmother with a tube-sock filled with wood screws. Is this correct?

Furloughee: "Yes sir, but she said some really hurtful things that caused me to do it."

Interviewer: "That's fine, no problem. I am sure you had a good reason. Oh wait, it also says here that you are furloughed?"

Furloughee: "Yes sir, I am furloughed from XXX airline but it looks like I have a better chance of getting my hips replaced before I get called back to said airline."

Interviewer: "I'm sorry, we just don't hire furloughed folks."

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

what DOH is Delts up to now?

 

[Humblepilot]

DIAMONDDD......ROFLMAO

Been there done that and have the tshirt..well except for the beating my grandmother part....my third furlough layoff and it nevers gets easier.

These clowns can read a newspaper...bk or near bankruptcy means recalls are so far in the future its not even a consideration.

Humble

 

[FlyingSig]

what DOH is Delts up to now?

March 16, 2000

 

[sleepy]

They don't need mainline pilots because so many routes are being flown by RJ's.... Skywest, ASA, Comair, etc. Happening all over....

Ok Maddog, I'll take your bait. It couldn't possibly be because pax are choosing Airtran, JetBlue, ATA, SWA, etc. instead of DAL. It couldn't be that fewer business travlers are flying (our outdated business model is completly dependent on business travlers paying higher fares). It's got to be those evil RJ's, SJ's, Express Jets, whatever, that are causing your pilots to be furloughed.

It also couldn't be your weak scope, the aftermath of 9/11, or DAL management(?) trying to gaing an advantage over your pilots to get something they want (CAL/NWA code share and lower pay rates for the new 100 seat RJ you are going to be getting soon).

No it's the evil RJ, SJ, EJ.

 

[asarjfo]

C'mon Maddog......haven't you heard that our fearless leader Duane Worthless has now given us the honor of being called "Express Pilots".....I guess that whole Regional name was just bringing us down.

I have been at this now for almost two years and I can't for the life of me figure out why Delta pilots are not putting up more of a fight to make one-list a reality. There are close to 50 vacancies posted at ASA and I have to believe close to the same number at Comair. That would take care of the 75 being furloughed from Mainline.

Isn't it time for everybody to put thier egos in "check" and make a deal that is good for everybody.

When will DALPA realize that times have changed and they need to align themselves with ASA/Comair?

 

[sleepy]

Whoa, Nelly! I am not a pot-stirrer or placing bait! I thought I was just stating a fact. I didn't say RJ's were evil. Actually, in the business side scheme of things, it makes sense- lower operating costs, more frequent flights, newer airplanes, etc. Passengers like 'em! I know for a FACT that AA pulled out of some cities that are now being serviced by American Connection (Trans States) in the RJ. See? Fact, not opinion.

Yes, I know there aren't as many business travelers- another reason that these city pairs are now using RJ's. Another fact! Less flights out there total... but man, are they all full!

I will try harder on how I word things! I pushed a hot button, sorry about that. I don't have personal experience with scope clauses or RJ's. I thought I was just sharing a fact...

Elvis Lives!

The Mad Dog

Ok, no problem. I agree that ASA/Comair etc. are doing some former mainline flying. We are holding on to markets that can no longer support mainline aircraft and opening new markets that will probably someday support mainline aircraft.

Hopefully it will get better soon.

 

[asarjfo]

Mad Dog,

I was not my intention to make a big deal out of the whole RJ debate...I am getting kind of tired of it to be honest (as I am sure you are too). I am not bashing you for stating fact, I agree 100%. I guess I am frustrated with OUR union. Instead of trying to work something out between the Mainline and Connection carriers, they spend my dues printing a news letter telling me they have found a new way to seperate us. We are now considered "express" pilots, aren't we all just AIRLINE pilots?

RJ's are not going anywhere and I think everybody knows it, my problem is with Delta Mainline (Company..not union) giving the boot to another 75 while ASA hires that many. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but then again I don't have the ALPA crystal ball either.

It seems to me there is a way to make most people happy and employed, and at the same time position Delta to be #1. As long as both sides fight each other, Delta management will contiue to exploit that weakness and use it to thier full advantage.

 

[corky]

This has gotten to be a bloodbath. I think they are trying to make it as painful as possible so that they can cut a better deal when they ask for it. And you know they will. Furlough sucks.

Uhh..I think they're bleeding money on a daily bases and have to cut people and planes to stay in business. I don't think it's a bargaining strategy.

 

[General Lee]

The VP of flt OPs said that their intent was to furlough the full 1400 pilots. An ATL Chief pilot said the original 1700 number was scaled down to 1400 to factor in the retirements scheduled for this year. But, I have one question----if and when we go to Iraq, and many many pilots are called up to fly for the National Guard etc., will there again be a shortage? The Iraq conflict could last for 6 months to 1 year, and Delta has a lot of reservists and Guard guys.

As far as more than 1400 pilots being furloughed, from what the VP of Flt Ops said last fri---(1400) and the ATL Chief Pilot said on
Mon (the same), I don't think the number has changed yet. I hope it doesn't and I hope the economy gets better quick and guys come back to work.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[rapidD]

Just some additional salt in the wound for those of us furloughed DAL guys. Looks like the company is positioning for a SECOND force majeure if we go to war with Iraq. The latest bit of kool aid info from the VP for Ops notes that the 1400 is based on current conditions. Don't be surprised if Iraq and increased fuel prices don't give rise to even more.....the hits just keep on coming.

Also, and not trying to throw gas onto a tired thread but the "connection" carriers aren't just flying some of the old mainline routes. I just nonrevved into DCA on a "connection" carrier." Giving up a slot used to be unheard of, now it's just good business.

Anybody need their grass cut?

 

[pb4ufly]

. I didn't say RJ's were evil. Actually, in the business side scheme of things, it makes sense- lower operating costs, more frequent flights, newer airplanes, etc. Passengers like 'em!

Passengers like RJs? Compared to a Saab 340 - yes, compared to an A320 or MD88- no way. Passengers have no choice. For comfort and roominess, anyone would agree.

 

[General Lee]

Hopefully Congress will help with gas costs if we attack Iraq (Sen Oberstar did mention that as a possibility), and People will PROBABLY still fly over the holidays---even if we go after Iraq---and after the first two or three weeks when it appears that we are winning overwhelmingly, people won't be as scared.

It is kinda scary, though.

Bye Bye-----General Lee

 

[Russ]

pb4ufly
I would rather be in a window or aisle on a RJ then in the middle seat of a larger plane. My opinion only, so no character attacks please.