More cuts coming at Netjets????

[gunfyter]

Oh yeah,
Net Jets has troubles, the world shakes, Flight Options has the same issues, it is just a joke to you.
Well when you only have a few planes, Flops will come to your rescue.
Merry Christmas !!!!!!!!!!

Excuse me, Mr Dingo.

Do you feel some at NJ have been insensitive to your plight?

I know the feeling. On this board ... go back to 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005 ...

Read all the posts of (some) pilots from every Fractional in business at the time ... harassing and ridiculing NJ pilots... Mercilessly

How dumb we were for working for NJ... How dumb we were for being union .... How much better off FLOPS pilots were... Flexjets guys were, etc., etc..

That said. Best of Luck to you and all at FLOPS ... I am rooting for your union and against B19 and all union-busting scum....

 

[hammer2]

Gun, I didn't mean a thing I wrote. I was just having problems with my wife that day so I just took it out on Netjets.

 

[gret]

"Socioeconomically, men tend to marry down, while woman marry up."

If men are marrying down, doesn't that mean women don't have a choice other to be marrying up? What did I miss?

 

[hammer2]

True beauty is in the "eyes of the beer holder".

 

[gunfyter]

Gun, I didn't mean a thing I wrote. I was just having problems with my wife that day so I just took it out on Netjets.

Its all good Hammer...

I don't remember you being one of the naysayers...

I try not to kick a man while he is down or gloat when I am riding high.... But in my exuberance when we finally achieved our goal ... I am sure (for a while) I let the naysayers know they were wrong.

I am not in control of the Economy ... or how management handles it .... Like every other pilot, we do our part by doing our jobs as well as we can.

I don't think the future of Fractional is as bleak as some want to paint it. I think the "analyst" quoted in the article was a former Flexjets salesman ... If he is so good... Why did Flex let him go? I have seen his stuff in the past and its mostly been wrong.

 

[GerryG]

Oh yeah,
Net Jets has troubles, the world shakes, Flight Options has the same issues, it is just a joke to you.
Well when you only have a few planes, Flops will come to your rescue.
Merry Christmas !!!!!!!!!!

The issues are industry wide right now genius. I don't remember seeing anyone from NJ on here making a joke of our 3 rounds of furloughs. The last thing we need is distention between our two pilot groups. After all we are the only two unionized groups in the industry so far. If the Flops pilots strike, I'm sure the NJ pilots will be there. Don't jeopardize that with this kind of crap.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

"Socioeconomically, men tend to marry down, while woman marry up."

If men are marrying down, doesn't that mean women don't have a choice other to be marrying up? What did I miss?

Nothing. Same difference. Can be stated either way. Vice versa not as often. However, not ALL men and women get married, so there.

 

[gret]

"Socioeconomically, men tend to marry down, while woman marry up."

If men are marrying down, doesn't that mean women don't have a choice other to be marrying up? What did I miss?

Nothing. Same difference. Can be stated either way. Vice versa not as often. However, not ALL men and women get married, so there.

OK! I got it! Whew! I can go have a drink now as my mind kept going in circles (which is normal).

 

[notapilot]

It appears Netjets is simply now really starting to do what we have done at Flexjet for years. Year after year we have significantly reduced waste and have been lean to the point of starvation in some cases. Even in the economic good times we were tightening our belt. We didn't have fancy Superbowl or Kentucky Derby ads and we even let some owners leave for Netjets because we were unwilling to provide the freebies you were handing out for big name endorsements. I assume we felt that if we have a good product the business will come and we didn't have to give the company away to achieve our goals. Our goal was and still is operational profitability which we were able to achieve even considering the small operational margins in the fractional business. That is actually a pretty amazing feat. Sure it was frustrating watching others expand at unbelievable rates during the good times while we were much more conservative in our growth. IMO, in the long run we are better off slow and steady as frustrating as it sometimes is. There will have to be some changes in how you conduct your business in order to compete and achieve steady economic growth. Change is not always bad.

 

[jppt2000]

You don't think that is bad? It is bad when it comes to your pay and benefits. How much do you currently pay for medical benefits? Nothing, right? I bet that will go bye bye. How about your cushy food off of menus? Sounds great, but expensive. He is going to slash and burn, and I don't think that is good. That sucks. But, it has happened elsewhere, and it will happen again. The point is NOBODY is safe, even if Capt Dad thinks he is invincible. Not trying to be pessimistic, rather a realist. Hey, we had the same thing happen to us, and people at the top usually fall down eventually. Good luck again, you will need it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Envious troll, trying to resurrect a thread where he couldn't accept the fact he's unknowingly ingested huge amounts of pubic hair, feces, and/or bodily fluids from flight attendants he's insulted over the years.
Misery loves company.

 

[notapilot]

Oops. With that said, I don't think our crewmember packages are too far off. Much of the waste elimination will be operational from within. I would guess that the biggest change you might see is a more efficient crew scheduling system. This is probably the biggest $ saver that might affect the crews.

 

[On Your Six]

Which fleets likely impacted?

Tough to speculate at the moment, but if 150+ aircraft end up leaving, which fleets are most likely going to be targeted? I imagine many of the older and less-utilized aircraft will be targeted first.

I am guessing the Ultra/Encore and maybe the Beechjet fleet based on utilization. I know a guy on the Encore who maybe flew 100-150 hours last year when it wasn't broken. Although Netjets might want to keep a relatively low-cost aircraft in its lineup. Maybe they will keep the Encore+ or the XLS/XLS+ as the entry aircraft - who knows... Tough situation for all involved.

 

[jonjuan]

Netjets is still the gold standard in the fractional business. .

Based on what, price? gunfiters falcon is $14k an hour through maqquis. They gotta pay for their upcoming super ads somehow

 

[gunfyter]

I think you might be about 40% off ....

 

[General Lee]

Also, could anyone explain to me how General Lee is all of a sudden a subject matter expert on fractional flying? Maybe someone should remind him of our all-time high record flying day a couple weeks ago?

That is fantastic, it was called Thanksgiving. But, it looks like your CEO is on the war path. That aint good. We went through the same thing, and it wasn't fun. He wants heads to roll, so Buffet can promote him to head Berkshire Hathaway. Seriously, good luck.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Envious troll, trying to resurrect a thread where he couldn't accept the fact he's unknowingly ingested huge amounts of pubic hair, feces, and/or bodily fluids from flight attendants he's insulted over the years.
Misery loves company.

Envious? No way. I really enjoy my job at Delta. I go to fun places and I am paid well. My last couple trips were to Germany, and I had some really tasty beer there. My wife makes more than I do as an Ad exec, and I "tell it like it is" on FI. Just suck it up and know that Netjets is gonna get "leaner." At the same time though, try not to get "meaner" on FI, will ya? I wish the best for you guys, no doubt. PEACE!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Socioeconomically, men tend to marry down, while woman marry up. Often it doesn't work well the other way around. You must be quite the stud muffin.

It is true a rich girl may fall in love with a pauper like myself, but usually its short-lived if you don't have the proper pedigree for family life, lifestyle, etc.

Say what? I met my wife at a Buckhead disco and we danced all night all the way to bed. It was fantastic, and I then realized I woke up in her penthouse apartment. (her family had a large business in ATL) Been FANTASTIC ever since. Sure, I could have met someone not as rich and probably still have been happy, but I sure like Steak everynight instead of McDonalds..... I actually eat dinner with a fork most nights! I use a new razor each day, and my socks don't have holes in them. I feel great.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[glasspilot]

<---Doesn't use a new razor each day and some socks do have some holes. Guess my life sux...

 

[Ultra Grump]

Say what? I met my wife at a Buckhead disco and we danced all night all the way to bed. It was fantastic, and I then realized I woke up in her penthouse apartment. (her family had a large business in ATL) Been FANTASTIC ever since. Sure, I could have met someone not as rich and probably still have been happy, but I sure like Steak everynight instead of McDonalds..... I actually eat dinner with a fork most nights! I use a new razor each day, and my socks don't have holes in them. I feel great.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I knew you were a tool when you were constantly baiting regional pilots, but you've outdone yourself here. SOMEONE BUILD A BIGGER SHED, QUICK! Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[imacdog]

That is fantastic, it was called Thanksgiving. But, it looks like your CEO is on the war path. That aint good. We went through the same thing, and it wasn't fun. He wants heads to roll, so Buffet can promote him to head Berkshire Hathaway. Seriously, good luck.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I said of all time, not just this year.

NetJets may be in for some house cleaning but you really have no idea how the operation works or what you consider to be excessive is completely normal. Remember how different the product is between my company and yours. Now, back in line at the food court in Concourse A for you.