More cuts at USAirways

[PCL_128]

PSA just announced a furlough of 27 pilots.

Are you kidding? How can it possibly make financial sense to only furlough 27 pilots? Wait, never mind. I should know better than to think that management is actually doing anything that makes sense.

 

[Tweaker]

If the 175 West and 125 East numbers are not increased, there may not be a need for furloughs. More than one pilot told me personally that he has other business interests and he would not mind the option of another voluntary leave of absence. If I am wrong, I will be the 22nd out the door.

Of course, the west 175 is a higher number of positions cut from a smaller pilot group, so that is unfortunate.

 

[elguapo9]

If I am wrong, I will be the 22nd out the door.

Number 23 right here...

 

[TWA Dude]

I'm approximately #170 from the bottom on the West. I'm sure I wouldn't be the first but it would be really, really funny to have recall rights to two different airlines.

 

[m80drvr]

Kind of like working at usairways and having recall rights to usairways.

 

[johnnyb]

If the announced numbers are accurate no east pilot who was previously furloughed will be hit by this.

Not true - less than 100 newhires on the East

 

[Crzipilot]

Well the bid for the east side is out on the hub. Shows a reduction from 2800 positions down to 2644. All furloughs listed for Oct 1. So They've taken the attrition to make up some for the total number of furloughs.

Forgot to add, it also states EVLOA are being offered starting June 13th.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Another successful post. I love when these young ex mesa Westies get all fired up. It makes my day.

Cheers
Marty

Well I'm not young and I'm not ex mesa but he is correct you are an a$$hole right down to the bone!!

WD.

 

[On Your Six]

Number 23 right here...

I really hate to ask, but any word on potential flowback options for those impacted? Could the ex PDT pilots return to PDT since it is owned by USAirways? What about similar deals with other related regionals?

Good luck to all involved...

 

[WSurf]

I really hate to ask, but any word on potential flowback options for those impacted? Could the ex PDT pilots return to PDT since it is owned by USAirways? What about similar deals with other related regionals?

Good luck to all involved...

The orginal program was set up to allow ex-Piedmont pilots to flowback to their orginal seat at piedmont. US Airways didn't honor the flowthru, but allowed for pref-hiring. Thus closing the door on those Pilots coming back to Piedmont with there orginal seniority.

 

[Tweaker]

The orginal program was set up to allow ex-Piedmont pilots to flowback to their orginal seat at piedmont. US Airways didn't honor the flowthru, but allowed for pref-hiring. Thus closing the door on those Pilots coming back to Piedmont with there orginal seniority.

EENCORRECT! There is a meeting this monday to attempt to resolve this very issue.

As far as closing the door, Farrow himself penned a letter that stated the pref-hiring thing was a temporary concept, and that if/when a proper flow was enacted, it would apply to these pref-hire participants.

 

[WSurf]

EENCORRECT! There is a meeting this monday to attempt to resolve this very issue.

As far as closing the door, Farrow himself penned a letter that stated the pref-hiring thing was a temporary concept, and that if/when a proper flow was enacted, it would apply to these pref-hire participants.

I hope you guys can get your jobs back. But I don't think it will be at the expense of people already hired at Piedmont.

Didn't you sign a letter of resignation? Thats the key. Piedmont and US Airways saved tons of cash by you folks leaving for Airways. I highly doubt they wanna bunch of Captains returning making over 10 year pay. I know that seems harsh and I hope you guy/gals can return. Its the reality of situation. I remember the MDA folks not getting there jobs back either.

Good Luck.

 

[WSurf]

EENCORRECT! There is a meeting this monday to attempt to resolve this very issue.

Oh, just found out that meeting was canceled just like all the rest of the flowthru meetings. LOL

 

[Captzaahlie]

I hope you guys can get your jobs back. But I don't think it will be at the expense of people already hired at Piedmont.

Didn't you sign a letter of resignation? Thats the key. Piedmont and US Airways saved tons of cash by you folks leaving for Airways. I highly doubt they wanna bunch of Captains returning making over 10 year pay. I know that seems harsh and I hope you guy/gals can return. Its the reality of situation. I remember the MDA folks not getting there jobs back either.

Good Luck.

FYI~ I was never asked for a resignation letter by anyone.

I hope we furloughees are as lucky as the MDA folks they got better return to flying deals.........

 

[Captzaahlie]

EENCORRECT! There is a meeting this monday to attempt to resolve this very issue.

As far as closing the door, Farrow himself penned a letter that stated the pref-hiring thing was a temporary concept, and that if/when a proper flow was enacted, it would apply to these pref-hire participants.

And Farrow stated that they
(he and mainline mngmnt.) were doing this because it was the right thing to do!
So we have absolutely nothing to worry about right?

Lets see we what we have to look forward to :

• USAPA helping out the new furloughes.....

• Obama's love for the airlines...... he want trains!

• Unemployment checks.........

No worries here!
uke:

 

[weasel_lips]

There might be enough EVLAs and early retirements to prevent most furloughes on both sides.

 

[trainer8]

FYI~ I was never asked for a resignation letter by anyone.

I hope we are as lucky as the MDA folks they got better return deals.........

Any pilot who left to go to MDA was either PDT or ALG. Don't recall any MDA pilots returning to PDT. Some would have liked to, but none were able to.

T8

 

[Captzaahlie]

There might be enough EVLAs and early retirements to prevent most furloughes on both sides.

I like the way you think, I guess we can hope.

These fuel cost are not going away overnight though.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Any pilot who left to go to MDA was either PDT or ALG. Don't recall any MDA pilots returning to PDT. Some would have liked to, but none were able to.

T8

True, they got better deals by being able to work in a few better places, not counting Mesa of course.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Amazing how good a "regional" job looks when the furloughs come out....Flowbacks seem to work better than flowups.....Double standard?

 

[Captzaahlie]

Amazing how good a "regional" job looks when the furloughs come out....Flowbacks seem to work better than flowups.....Double standard?

it still looks better on the other side of the regional fence, even when faced with a furlough!

 

[JoeMerchant]

it still looks better on the other side of the regional fence, even when faced with a furlough!

....then stay on your side of the fence when the furloughs happen....

Listen....I'm not going to get into an argument of who has it better....But why do you guys always want to jump back to this side when things don't work out.....Stay there and wait for the recall, or come back here as a new hire....You can't have it both ways.....

 

[olympus593]

....then stay on your side of the fence when the furloughs happen....

Listen....I'm not going to get into an argument of who has it better....But why do you guys always want to jump back to this side when things don't work out.....Stay there and wait for the recall, or come back here as a new hire....You can't have it both ways.....

Maybe he wants to come back because he has bills to pay and has a family to take care off, ever think of that. I hope that somewhere somehow we can get you guy's back or at least help you out, Managment back out of the flow thru/flow back, but but in the spirit of the agrement it's still there...Best luck to my Ex PDT friend.

 

[PCL_128]

....then stay on your side of the fence when the furloughs happen....

Listen....I'm not going to get into an argument of who has it better....But why do you guys always want to jump back to this side when things don't work out.....Stay there and wait for the recall, or come back here as a new hire....You can't have it both ways.....

When mainline shrinks while the regionals grow, I think it's only reasonable for the furloughed pilots to expect those growth slots rather than letting them go to a bunch of newbies with 300 TT. And yes, they should get the left seats.

 

[JoeMerchant]

When mainline shrinks while the regionals grow, I think it's only reasonable for the furloughed pilots to expect those growth slots rather than letting them go to a bunch of newbies with 300 TT. And yes, they should get the left seats.

We should have a single list for each brand....We should have never had "regionals"....But the fact is the mainline's sold this flying for money and workrules and they have refused to consider a single list.....

Then when the defecation hits the 6 speed rotary oscillator they want their old seats back....That's not the way the current seniority system works.....

If you want to talk about a new system and some quids.....Then let's do it....otherwise they need to do the same thing a regional pilot does when they want to "go over"....Apply and take a seat at the back...

You can't have it both ways.....

By the way....The regionals aren't going to grow this time...Should they still get left seats when there isn't any growth?

 

[PCL_128]

We should have a single list for each brand...

I agree. But you and I aren't going to get what we wish for.

If you want to talk about a new system and some quids.....

The quid is the growth. The UAL Express carriers are getting growth flying while the mainline downsizes. If the furloughed pilots come back to those left seats of the growth flying, those growth seats will still exist after the furloughed pilots have long been called back. Want more growth? Give up your growth CA seats for a couple of years.

By the way....The regionals aren't going to grow this time...Should they still get left seats when there isn't any growth?

In some cases, yes they are. UAL Express is going to grow by 11% over the next few years while mainline downsizes an equal amount. You think this is right? Wait, don't answer that. I probably won't like the answer.

 

[Superpilot92]

JoeMerchant only wants a single list if it means he can get DOH . Would you care if the single list meant tagging the regional lists onto the bottom of the majors list? or do you want a free ride without making any sacrifices like the rest of us had to in order to move on?

 

[Superpilot92]

We should have a single list for each brand....We should have never had "regionals"....But the fact is the mainline's sold this flying for money and workrules and they have refused to consider a single list.....We can tag the regionals at the bottom of the mainline list then?

Then when the defecation hits the 6 speed rotary oscillator they want their old seats back....That's not the way the current seniority system works.....

If you want to talk about a new system and some quids.....Then let's do it....otherwise they need to do the same thing a regional pilot does when they want to "go over"....Apply and take a seat at the back...Take your own advice, if you want on at a major, apply and take a seat at the back. Stop your mantra about a single list only if it benefits you.

You can't have it both ways.....

By the way....The regionals aren't going to grow this time...You're right, the days of the majors footing the fuel bills and guaranteed profits at the regionals are quickly coming to an end. Lets hope the flying gets back to where it should have stayed, at the majors (just like you said above). You seem to think the flying should go back to the majors only if you get a free ride. When ever the pilots at the majors mention taking the flying back, correcting the problem, you start crying about ALPA not protecting you and the injustices you face at the regionals. Should they still get left seats when there isn't any growth?

News to Joe, most of us at the majors have spent time working at the regionals and had to make the sacrifice to move on. You hanging out at your regional hoping to get brought over someday only if it means keeping your seniority is a joke. Apply and take a seat or stop complaining and union bashing.

 

[m80drvr]

Lyle Hogg said no early retirement packages for either side. He said the saving money was key. I guess all the training events that furloughs cause are free.

 

[WSurf]

Maybe he wants to come back because he has bills to pay and has a family to take care off, ever think of that. I hope that somewhere somehow we can get you guy's back or at least help you out, Managment back out of the flow thru/flow back, but but in the spirit of the agrement it's still there...Best luck to my Ex PDT friend.

I have mixed feelings about ex-PDT people coming back. Okay you have a family to feed, bills to pay. I know a few FO's that have a family to feed and bills that are piled up. Boy an upgrade will sure help them.
So you risk that by going to a airline that 1. Is in trouble because of fuel prices. 2. Has a major seniority intergration problem. 3. Going there without that fact that a flowthru deal hasn't been done.

Its was risk that they took, and they all knew it. I don't believe any current pilot at PDT should be effected by them coming back. AKA if they get there Captain slots back make them Junior Captains. Plus make sure that nobody at PDT is let go to bring them back.

However if the flowthru is agreed on, then hell I have no problem with them getting there seniority back.

Good Luck