More ALPA hypocrisy

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA's charter is not to support "labor," it's to support PILOTS. If ALPA saw this as a way to further the interests of pilots, I feel certain it would. However, it would seem that NWA ALPA feels that this is NOT a battle that pilots would win by engaging in a sympathy strike.


They can't just support every strike there is, regardless of the perceived risk or potential payoff. The priority for NWA ALPA is NWA pilots.

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BINGO! The priority for NWA ALPA is NWA pilots The priority for DAL ALPA is DAL pilots, the priority for UAL ALPA is UAL pilots. And the beat goes on..... At least you are honest Tony, ALPA really isn't a trade union, rather it is a very loose association of self centered opportunists who whine when that same self centered opportunity is turned against themselves. What goes around comes around Tony.... maybe just maybe ALPA will learn that someday. I doubt it though.

Joe
10+ year ALPA volunteer who has seen the light....

 

[TonyC]

BINGO! The priority for NWA ALPA is NWA pilots The priority for DAL ALPA is DAL pilots, the priority for UAL ALPA is UAL pilots.

You say that like it's a bad thing!?!?





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[PCL_128]

BINGO! The priority for NWA ALPA is NWA pilots

Ummm, yeah. That's exactly the way it should be.

 

[GVFlyer]

In 2000 and 2004, ALPA supported the Democratic candidate and opposed Bush. Ostensibly because Bush would be anti-labor. Now, Bush is allowing a strike to go on that ALPA does not support. Is ALPA "anti-labor"?

IRONIC???

Bush 1 allows the Eastern strike. Bush 2 allows this NWA AMFA strike. Clinton orders the American pilots back to work.

IRONIC????

Excellent observation, objective, devoid of emotional bias and empirical.

GV

 

[regionaltard]

But ALPA is??? Shouldn't ALPA be supporting "labor"???

Not at the expense of "pilots." Shutting Northwest down would be pointless.

 

[DashTrash400]

If ALPA is interested in looking after only pilot interests, and all the other labor unions go to hell, the shrewd thing to do would've been to *support* Bush in '04. He seems to have no love lost for unions, but I'll bet he'd fall all over himself to show support for any union that jumped on the miniscule "Labor for W'04" bandwagon. He was rather vocal about the support from the firefighter's union. Think *they* have some decent pull in Washington right bout now?

 

[100LL... Again!]

The "labor movement" is being taken to the woodshed by market forces. This is bacause it lost track of its real purpose and became a means of extorting ever higher compensation for ever increasingly mediocre work. If the labor movement grows up, it will recover from this and in the end probably be better of.

 

[dogg]

You say that like it's a bad thing!?!?





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It is only a bad thing if you claim to be a union..... The problem with modern day ALPA is that it claims solidarity only when it suits its purpose....

 

[bman]

ALPA suxs and Unoins in this country are a massive joke they have little sway or power.

NWA ALPA looked at this situation and realized it was a lose lose for the AMFA guy. Hell the AMFA even realizes this is a lose lose. NWA management has decided what they are going to do and nothing was going to stop them. They had been planning for it for nearly two years prior. They had the FAA sign off on it the had Bush sign off on it. It was a done deal!

It would have been insane for NWA ALPA to try and get involved.

This is the sad state of our industry and labor in America in general.

 

[castle bravo]

NWA management has decided what they are going to do and nothing was going to stop them. They had been planning for it for nearly two years prior. They had the FAA sign off on it the had Bush sign off on it. It was a done deal!




Too bad NWA management didn't "plan" as well when it came to their brilliant and masterful (nonexistent) fuel hedging strategy.

Quite an about face for W who proclaimed during his first term that there would'nt be any airline strikes under his watch.

 

[bman]

CB

while I might agree that their fleet age and fuel hedging plan may have been inadequate, but let's face it this ain't about fuel hedging. No company has 100% of their fuel hedged and with oil pushing 70/ barrel EVERYONE is feeling the pain.

This is plainly the fault of the current administrations actions. Anyone who says otherwise is DELUSIONAL! They have done more to promote instability in the world than anything any terrorist could have done. The markets don't respond well to all of the turmoil and the only people who are profiting are Bush's cronies in the oil industry (who have coincidentaly seen record profits and prosperity) while our industry and its employees have seen their wages errode and their jobs "outsourced". Not unlike most labor in america. Wanna know whose profiting from all of this spend some time in Dubai. The arabs aren't over here starving nor is their general pop. inturmoil. They are building islands in the Gulf in the shape of vegetation.

Go W!! Four more years! For more years!

 

[Deli Guy]

I think that had we done nothing in the mid east after 9-11 our situation in reguards to oil would be the same or worse. Had we shown no resolve, Al Quiada (how do you spell that?) would have run the royal family out of Saudi and would have exerted more damaging oil restrictions on the west (great satan) My experience in Dudai was that there was always great affluance there--way before 9-11.
In the case of AMFA, did they not know who was in office? Did they wisely or unwisely push on with a strategy that was going to work with this administration. When NWA Alpa went to AMFA 2 years ago and said "guys, your plan is whacked, we need a combined strategy. Bush is in office and that needs to be part of a bigger picture. Lets get all the unions together at NWA and make this work." AMFA told NWA alpa not only to f#$% themselves, but to f#$% the iguana they rode in on. AMFA then went on to make statements about wanting $100,000 a year for its mechanics. What was NWA Alpa to do?
If you were to compare this to war, It would be like one of the Generals in the battle (supposedly on your side) had gone mad and was actually complicating your battle plan worse than the actual enemy. The worse part was, there was no overall commander to appeal to because the Generals had lateral command. Now NWA Alpa is taking it in the shorts from people who do not really know what has happened. This only further erodes our solidarity and plays into "the evil baby eating republicans" hands.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Ahh yes - Blame Bush for your miserable failures. How easy, such instant gratification.

Sometimes I really wish it WAS Bush doing this to you, just because you so stupidly decide to blame it all on this administration.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Because NWA Alpa would be unwise to risk putting thousands of their pilots permanently out of a job in order to try and save jobs at another union. It's really not that complicated. Alpa surmised that NWA could not financially weather a systemwide strike and chose to save their battle for a future date. Maybe a little weak but definitely not "anti labor."

Exactly how would ALPA be risking those jobs? If NWA pilots supported the AMFA strike then NWA managment would have requested and most likely recieved a PEB. Mechs would still be working today and maybe just maybe NWA management might bargain a bit more realistically. Keep in mind that managment specifically asked the White House not to order a PEB. Another interesting tidbit is how they chose to discontinue the recent round of fare hikes started by the majority of other majors. Had they simply stayed in line with other carriers they'd be grossing another 10-50 per ticket. NWA management is more interested in busting unions than fixing revenue problems. They've lost a lot of money over the past several quarters but how much of that money was spent training and keeping scabs on the payroll? Months ago a news station showed an article about the NWA mech scabs in training down in TUS or somewhere in that vicinity. How much money was spent on hiring and training replacement FA's? How much of the losses are due to hiring replacement workers and keeping those scumbags on the payroll? You can't keep a workforce of 1000's waiting in the wings without spending some money. What if all of their financial losses of the past few quarters can be tied to those replacement workers? Sounds to me like NWA managment is simply living a lie. Too bad ALPA leadership isn't asking the tough questions.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You say that like it's a bad thing!?!?





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One very simple concept, divide and conquer.
PBR
P.S. It's gonna be interesting when they come after the pilots though, and they will. Good luck D. Worthless, bet he will get tough then and rally ALPA around his job. $400k a year with a bottomless expense account makes a guy think funny.