More 700s on the way for ASA & Skywest

[Russ]

I hope you're right GL. I'm scared DALPA will cave however. Backs to the wall, principle is one of the first things to go.

 

[amcnd]

If they do go to delta you can look forward to a few years at $36 dollars a hour. If They goto the regionals then you can look forward to the same. Were ever they go the pay will be the same. So why does it mater?

 

[Salty Pirate]

We would jump on it. It is better to get the aircraft now and be able to get higher wages during the next round, rather than lose the aircraft forever, like the 70 seaters.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I bet you would jump on it you clown. Hold out for more pay in the next round. THATS EVEN FREAKING FUNNIER. I mean for christ's sake how long is the average contract, 5 years. Even if you get 5% per contract, which you won't, in 15 years it still wouldn't be worth jack. Face it little boy, you are just another whore hoping to get RJ's and fly them at RJ's rates. "we would jump on it" GIVE ME AND F---ING BREAK!!! Look at yourself. You are in here everyday, standing on your milk crate, preaching your high morals, knowledge, and debating skills in the JV chat room, sporting wood over getting RJ's

F---ing HILLARIOUS

And the rest of you waiting to got to a major, There are no majors. No pension, no pay. We will be old and gray before those contracts come back.

 

[Russ]

"There are no majors. No pension, no pay"

Yet its more than what I enjoy now. United took some drastic cuts in pay and work rules and its still better than most if not all regionals.

 

[General Lee]

And the cycle continues.

I think the equipment is going to be an asset in the marketplace and Delta managment know it. They know the price point it needs to operate at to make it a profitable level of service. And don't think just the hourly rate, it's also work rules, trip-duty rig etc. 90/hr at the regionals is a lot cheaper than 90/hr at mainline. So DALPA comes in and says they will operate it at cut rate points to get it on their bill and then rape them later with it down the road when times are good?

Obviously pilot costs are not the sole source of problems, but this rational is not going to help. This is what got Delta in this position in the first place.

We have brought the 100 seat wages down towards Jetblue's rates, and I am sure any 75-79 seaters could be adjusted. Air Canada has their mainline pilots flying the E175 and the E190, and I am sure we could do the same. And, our good-ole CFO Ed Bastain has stated that AFTER emergence from Chap 11 there would likely be a large order for 787s and 777s. I believe a few less orders of those expensive birds could easily fund a bunch of new E175s and E190s for mainline. Yeah, that will work.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I bet you would jump on it you clown. Hold out for more pay in the next round. THATS EVEN FREAKING FUNNIER. I mean for christ's sake how long is the average contract, 5 years. Even if you get 5% per contract, which you won't, in 15 years it still wouldn't be worth jack. Face it little boy, you are just another whore hoping to get RJ's and fly them at RJ's rates. "we would jump on it" GIVE ME AND F---ING BREAK!!! Look at yourself. You are in here everyday, standing on your milk crate, preaching your high morals, knowledge, and debating skills in the JV chat room, sporting wood over getting RJ's

F---ing HILLARIOUS

And the rest of you waiting to got to a major, There are no majors. No pension, no pay. We will be old and gray before those contracts come back.

Wow, you are a spazz. You can blame Jetblue and their management for setting the rates for 100 seaters and below. The thing is, when we get them, our pilots will have the opportunity to bid up to larger planes. Those RJs you are talking about would be replacing our 737-200s, and that doesn't sound like an RJ to me, does it dumba$$? You can't debate worth krap. Go home junior and play with your XBOX.

And, if our pay goes down, your pay will eventually follow.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

We have brought the 100 seat wages down towards Jetblue's rates, and I am sure any 75-79 seaters could be adjusted. Air Canada has their mainline pilots flying the E175 and the E190, and I am sure we could do the same. And, our good-ole CFO Ed Bastain has stated that AFTER emergence from Chap 11 there would likely be a large order for 787s and 777s. I believe a few less orders of those expensive birds could easily fund a bunch of new E175s and E190s for mainline. Yeah, that will work.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yea, what percentage of Delta pilots feel that way, and exactly how many of them would vote for that? Just wondering.

 

[saviboy]

Yeah, my opinion... no more 70 seaters and definetely no 90 seaters! I want to eventually move up to a major. I don't want regionals taking away main line flying anymore than they already have.

Same here!

 

[jehtplane]

We would jump on it. It is better to get the aircraft now and be able to get higher wages during the next round, rather than lose the aircraft forever, like the 70 seaters.


Bye Bye--General Lee

So now it is OK to lower the bar just to get airplanes, hasn't CHQ, MESA been doing this for years, no offense to you guys, and getting blasted for it?

 

[General Lee]

Yea, what percentage of Delta pilots feel that way, and exactly how many of them would vote for that? Just wondering.

You can't seem to understand this, can you? Ok, one more time. We don't have a pension carrot hanging over us like NW did. We only have 250 guys now over 55 years old. NW probably had 1000. Every FO on the list are probably against giving larger RJs to DCI so we can have even longer waits for upgrade on anything. Then atleast half of the Captains will absolutely vote NO, because it could result in their eventual downgrade if they lose their airplane to a large RJ. Does this make sense yet? Atleast JA said it was up to the Delta pilots----and it will be. I see a big NO vote on any TA allowing larger RJs at DCI. WE DON'T HAVE THE PENSION CARROT THAT NW HAD. Comprende?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

So now it is OK to lower the bar just to get airplanes, hasn't CHQ, MESA been doing this for years, no offense to you guys, and getting blasted for it?

Jetblue's management set the rates for the 100 seaters, and that will affect you guys too. And, those larger RJs will replace our 737-200s at CVG and ATL. We should fly anything that will directly replace them.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PSPFAWILL]

SkyWest CRJ 700 (UA Side) have 66 seats, 6 F Class, 16 Economy Plus and remaining regular coach.

 

[ReportCanoa]

SkyWest CRJ 700 (UA Side) have 66 seats, 6 F Class, 16 Economy Plus and remaining regular coach.

Probably with one lavatory. Correct? That would be annoying.

 

[Salty Pirate]

Wow, you are a spazz. You can blame Jetblue and their management for setting the rates for 100 seaters and below. The thing is, when we get them, our pilots will have the opportunity to bid up to larger planes. Those RJs you are talking about would be replacing our 737-200s, and that doesn't sound like an RJ to me, does it dumba$$? You can't debate worth krap. Go home junior and play with your XBOX.

And, if our pay goes down, your pay will eventually follow.


Bye Bye--General Lee

what's left to debate, you wrote it you self, " we would jump on flying 90 seat aircraft for mesa rates." Straight out of your pie hole!!!!! If I don't smell a whore now I don't know when I will. And once again the classic response " you can't debate me" thats all you ever say, debate the fact that you are willing to be mesa's bitch----------Dingleberry

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Salty,
What is a Cheyanne?

 

[180ToTheMarker]

So now it is OK to lower the bar just to get airplanes, hasn't CHQ, MESA been doing this for years, no offense to you guys, and getting blasted for it?

The difference (if the DAL guys secure ALL flying above 70 seats) is that in 4 or 5 years when the amendable date rolls around, mgmt won't be able to put an RFP out to several airlines all trying to undercut eachother to get Connection flying. DALPA can negoiate pay rates (for all they're airplanes) without fear of being undercut by all the regional guys. Right now, the most important thing is to secure the flying.

 

[ASADFW7]

The flying, who is doing it and where the planes are going is not decided by regional pilots, so get off our backs. All I can do is vote on a negotiated pay rate that is it. If Delta wants to send planes someplace it is up to them to negoitate where they go within their pilot contract. If they decide they want relief they will attempt to negotiate a change. Otherwise all the wet panties in the world will get you no place without an agreement.

 

[PSPFAWILL]

Report - you are correct. 1 lav and galley on the UA side (hasn't really been a problem, which surprised me), 2 lavs and 3 galleys on the DL side.

 

[Salty Pirate]

Salty,
What is a Cheyanne?

its a turbine navajo

 

[propsarebest]

Mark my words...

CRJ-900's are ON THE WAY. They are going to be delivered with 70 seat interiors, 12 F class seats and the rest coach.


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