Mil to Civ transition (low hours)

[skiddriver]

Using your GI Bill depends a lot on where you live and where you're willing to train,

ATP (as in All ATPs) does not accept GI Bill, because they are not a Part 141 VA approved provider.

You need to contact the state veterans affairs office in the state you want to train and ask for a list of approved schools. Some states have them posted online.

The VA has a list of course, and they've been thinking about posting it online for many years. Someday they may actually do it. If you call them, they'll confirm a specific school's eligibility, but won't actually send you the entire list.

The bigger schools advertise their eligibility, so you can Google some of them up as well. Search for Part 141 schools first, since that is a prerequisite to become a VA approved provider.

Good luck. Remember that GI Bill will only pay 60% of the APPROVED cost (and 100% of your written test cost), and that you pay everything up front, and the VA reimburses you on their timeline.

 

[PIO]

Great info Skiddriver!

 

[Marty Moose]

I think the ANG/RES unit is your best option, even if it means relocation, why pay out of your own pocket if Uncle Sam will flip the bill.

 

[Bjammin]

I have a good friend that just got out as a Major in the Marines. He only had 1500Hrs (Most of it PIC) and all single engine (Harrier and T-45A). He got hired with Cathay Pacific as a Second Officer. Not a bad gig to start off with. You would have to live in Hong Kong for a while and wouldn't log any TO's or LNDG's for a few years, but eventually you would move up to First Officer in about 3 years, then on to Captain in another 7-10. It's not nessesarly the best option out there, but it would get you with an international airline and eventually you could be back in the states making some good money. S/O's in Hong Kong make about 80K US, that includes housing and retirement, and they have great schedules. Lots of time to use your travel benifits.

It's just a thought an an option available to you. Cathay looks to be hiring for many years to come.

 

[dudemize]

Atp

Another thing to look into that I just found out about is getting your ATP/737 type concurrently. The Higher Power (www.jetcrew.com) type rating course is $7400, using your 60% VA benefits that leaves you with about $3000 out of pocket. If you show up with your ATP written completed, you will get your ATP along with the 737 type (the 737 check is done to ATP standards). Going to All ATPS and getting your ATP by itself would be about $2000, so for an extra grand you get the type rating as well. Something to think about.

 

[Afterprop]

My $.02

PIO,
The experience at HPA is well worth the cost and time. It is a two week course, (1 week ground school, 1 week simulator) that requires at least 60 hours home study before you show up. Plus for us mil types, or ex-mil types , it is a good introduction to civilian flying, Boeing checklist, etc. There are differences in flying for the USAF, and others. Even the different terminology sometimes can be a small detriment . . . "Go" versus "V1" for example. (It took me 4 months to quit saying "torque" or "inch pounds." Also, HPA is about networking as well as getting a type rating. One of the guys in my HPA class was able to get me an interview with my current company . . . 9 months later; I have a Captain class slot.

Not sure about your timing, but unless you're still 18 months to 2 years out, you're behind the power curve. Add power, and get busy networking, applying, and becoming smarter about the airline industry. (I knew I was retiring at 20, but procrastinated until the last 6 months . . . should have, could have been smarter -- but for those that know me, well that was somewhat to be expected.)

You've already mentioned currency . . . gotta have it. Get it!
Good luck.
Keep 'em level~n~true.
'Props

 

[Otto]

Guard YES...Regional NO!!

PIO,
I think the only thing hurting you is not having crossed the magic 1,000 turbine PIC threshold. I know 1,550 hours isn't a lot compared to some guys that are out there but military time in a heavy will take you far. We just had a guy in our squadron hired by Fedex with 1,500 hours of total time. I know that gives civillian guys heartburn but right or wrong, that's the way it is. If I were you, I would get into a Guard/Reserve C-130 unit as that will be the fastest way to get that remaining PIC time as well as allowing you to pay the bills.
As someone flying for a regional, I would say don't mess with it. With more regionals fighting for fewer and fewer flights and with the cost of fuel making the RJ increasingly cost inefficient, I think upgrade times are going to get longer as pilots from different airlines scramble to underbid each other like birds flighting for the scraps from a piece of bread. I enjoy aspects of the regionals but I think it's going to get very ugly in the next few years. Good luck!
Otto

 

[PlaneStupid]

PIO, It is good that you are planning ahead. Hopefully you didn't get the shaft from the ex wife and still have a bunch of cash handy because you are going to need it. Check out the salaries of the bottom feeder regional jobs and you may think twice about getting out or going into an aviation career at all. If you must get out, you might be better off in a non-flying career depending upon your degree and work experience in the AF. This way you can afford to fly and eat too.

.02

 

[Phrogboy]

PIO,
I am in the same boat as you as I transition over. However, I managed to get lucky and make the switch from active Navy to AFR. I am truely thankful for it as it has been a great, if not interesting experience.

I used my GI Bill for quite a few ratings and it has helped a little so far. If you are looking to use it, and money is an issue, then you also have to take into account all the ground training that is involved under a 141 school. A friend of mine was working with me on my CFI/MEI, and he would not have charged me for much of the ground training. Unfortunately, due to the flight school at which he worked and the VA, he was forced to charge for the majority of it (I only had to pay/log the minimum ground training). Apparently, all 141 schools that are elligible to recieve VA funds can and do get inspected. They then have to prove that the 141 course guidelines are followed and paid for when a 141 completion certificate is given to a student. Just keep that in mind when figuring out the costs and choosing a flight school to train at. That being said, you do not have to neccessarily complete a 141 course either to take the practical exams, you just need someone to sign you off.

Good luck

 

[Ben Stiller]

You really need the PIC time...1,000 hrs. If not, I can't imagine you can get with anyone but a regional. 2+ years to upgrade then 2+ years to get the time.

Just my experience.

Good luck

 

[cmiller]

I was always under the impression that Mins dont apply to military guys.
I was down in training for Jet Blue 3 weeks ago to throw bags and was talking to the pilot class and 9 out of 10 were military. One of them told me himself that they have a conversion table so your 1500 looks more like 3000.
In addition military guys all take care of each other and walk each others resumes up so where are your old squad buddies flying right now? call em up and tell them to get you a job at Fedex UPS Soutwest or Jetblue and its already done deal. Dont go to a regional FO for only 20 grand a year. If you have to go to a regional tell them to hire you as a captain.
Why do you think im applying to the guard right now? Its the best of both worlds, i get paid good money to fly cool planes, protect my country, and in 10 or 20 years when im done hopefully i get a job right with a major airline

 

[AlbieF15]

cmiller=idiot flamebait.

 

[cmiller]

why am i an idiot flamebait? i love how people all of a sudden become tough just because they dont actually have to face the people there insulting on the internet

I talked to a new hire myself a few weeks ago and he told me how they give the military guys more time than they actually have because 1. they dont fly as much as a regional pilot and 2. they went through top notch training so they should be able to cut it at their new job

 

[GuinessGuy]

Cmiller, you idiot!!! The Mil flight time conversion is because the Mil only counts flight time TO to Landing, not block to block.

Squadron pals walking in your resumes = done deal.

IDIOT

 

[stonewall]

The conversion factor for FDX was .2 per sortie, not hour. That only added about 280 hours to my total. Further, walking in resumes isn't a done deal. Me and about 3 other dudes walked in a bro at FDX and he never got the call. He did, however, get picked up at JB.

 

[PlaneStupid]

Ok Ill bite, "the best" is obviously a know it all jack-hole. Having flown both corporate and military I know for a fact that some civies have absolutely no idea what military flying is about. They are the ones that say: "must be nice not having to pay for your training". The easiest thing we did in the military is the most challenging phase of flight in the corporate world. BTW best - "getting stuck in the ice" sounds like poor planning on your part.

 

[Phrogboy]

THE BEST,
Thanks for the compliments... I think.

My only question to you is whose reality are you checking? It was once said that "Truly superior pilots are those who use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills." Flying into ice I do believe falls into that, whether you feel you had to or not. Take that as you will, and then do us all a favor and admit that your use of "all" just covers up for a serious lack of experience and maturity. Please don't insult your fellow pilots, military or otherwise, by trying to compare one hair raising story to another hair raising story. We have all been there my friend, and most experienced pilots have proven themselves in one way or another. We accept that fact as professional aviators. To do otherwise would be UNPROFESSIONAL.

 

[Bjammin]

Agree with Phong, nicely put. Every type of flying has is dangers. Whether it's bullets, mountains, or ice doesn't matter. I've seen all types of pilots be arrogant a$$e$ and all types be humble. If you are the first, at some point you will be the second. Bottom line, be competant and safe, the rest will take care of itself.
Flying tends to breed cockyness. We study hard, learn to fly, have some dangerous moments, and if we live, we gloat. It's easy to see flying as a risky venture and we almost always survive thus we feel like we deserve applause.
I have respect for almost everyone in the business. The ones I don't have respect for are the ones that don't respect the nature of aviation. The ones that think they know it all and "don't need to study anymore" or the ones that don't acknowledge their own limitations. These people put "lives in danger" - COL Nathan R. Jessup

 

[semperfido]

"the best" --these mil guys are being much to kind in their responses to you.

"Well well well, I hit your spot! good, nice little hissy fit! When you can tlak like a MAN, send a reply. You're right, the flying is not the same. SOME don't have any idea. It is tough to admit that the military flying was easy compared to REAL flying." The best what?

-- sounds like cock 'n bull to me! going back and forth is a waste of time. why don't you show some respect.

 

[PlaneStupid]

You would not have made it through MAVRICK!

Hey best - er I mean Iceman - I guess it is true that you can't argue with an idiot.