Mil to Civ transition (low hours)

[VVJM265]

OK, I called you Maverick, so that means you are Maverick. But then you just called me Iceman and Maverick? Christ, did you take your FU$KING meds. today? I guess you really are plane stupid...and there's the proof. The BEST...no doubt about it!
WHO's the IDIOT Biatch? There's you answer....................

Take a chill pill man. What's with all the hate & discontent?

 

[semperfido]

someone left the door open to the romper room and he got out.

 

[pkober]

Ignore him.

 

[Live2Run]

This had been a good, informative post...

 

[DrProc]

I would rather interview someone who meets the mins that was military trainined -vs- someone with 2X as much experience and was all civi. Having been on both sides of the fence you are MUCH better trained than any civilian...that is for most civis anyways.

Wow, talk about ignorant. I have flown with pilots of all backgrounds, and military training will only get you so far in the civilian world. How many military guys struggle over time and duty regs, while the guys with FAR 121 backgrounds don't even give it a second thought. How many military pilots know how to file a flight plan? And the whole crew concept for fighter guys?

 

[pilotyip]

Yea Doc these are the same misfits who land FA-18's on an aircraft carrier at night with a total of 350-hrs flight time. The same misfits who at age 26 make landings in C-17's on NVG's, and same misfits who went through a screening and elimination process that left many of their contemporaries by the way side. I have never had a military aviator, Army, USAF, USMC, or USN fail to satisfactorily complete our training program. I can not say the same for our civilian only new hires. The military trained pilot is a known quantity; I can not say the same for the civilian only trained pilot. Now I will admit I could not enter a civilian VFR traffic pattern when I left the service, but you could not have entered the VT-1 non-radio pattern at Saufley Field either.

 

[VVJM265]

Good words, thanks yip.
265

 

[pilotyip]

In the end it does mean something

Well Best; I can tell you have not been there and have not done that. Because people who know people who have done that would never post that. Did you get that? In the end it does mean something, it allows you to live the life you desire in probably the best place in the world to live and do that. Of course then by your profile you know it all anyway.

 

[VVJM265]

TACAIR may be single seat but it is not alone and unafraid. On any given mission, you go out at least as a 2-plane. Let’s take a notional 4-plane strike package launching from the USS Flattop at 0 dark thirty. For starters, the crew has been planning the strike for at least several days, studying targets, calculating bingo fuels, ingress and egress times etc. This is not done in a vacuum, there is a small army of staff coordinating with the rest of the wing and the other services. The night before the strike the crew probably gets some fair amount of rest, but they were still up later than they wanted to because, hmmm, E-6 evals are due to the XO the same day as the strike was planned, or some other ppwk needed to get done. Forget about getting real sleep because staterooms are directly under the flight deck, so if night ops are going on, well, use your imagination. An hour prior, you and your 3 buds are pre-flighting up on the deck in a moonless night, oh yea, the sea state has picked up so the deck is pitching. Man up, launch and join up, no crew coordination needed there. Checkin with the AWACS before pressing on to the target. Did I mention that the AWACS crew had just gotten into theater 4 days prior and they been on station for 7 hrs already? Their home base is on the other side of the planet, no flight planning involved to get the jet over here to the war, don’t worry about backing Ops up on the DIP clearances either. Back to the strike package…they’ve been airborne now for about 40 mins, now the fun begins, drop down to 500’ or less, at the speed of heat, oh yea, on the NGVs, find the target, pickle, 6G turn to get the F out of Dodge. Out of the hot zone now, climb up to find the tanker. Sun’s coming up now but still need to keep the head on a swivel; AWACS cleared the tanker w/I 1 mile of the RECCE bird. Top off and head back to the ship. Weather’s picked up and vis is down to less than 1/4SM. Somewhere nearby the P-3 is tooling around at 500’ in this mess prosecuting the idiots with the hand-helds that want to shoot your behind down. They came half way around the world to, just the other way. 4 days ago the 2P with 550 hours made his first night landing in the snow and low vis in N Japan. In the stack at the boat, ¾ of a mile and clara (ball not sight) and the LSO tells you to keep it coming. Finally trap and put the jet to bed, we just logged a 4.5 with 3 hrs of night, 2.5 instrument a precision approach and flew thru airspace with the traffic volume equivalent to London.

Need we say more?

 

[pilotyip]

We have all been told by the best who knows it all, what else can there be? The best must be a ball to fly with; all that time in stuck in a cockpit with him, telling you he is the best. Of she/he really could be the best, because we really have no idea who she/he is or again because we have no idea who he/she is she/he could be the worst posing as the best.

 

[semperfido]

....a little wanker loose on the internet

 

[VVJM265]

You really should have saved your breath! It was kind of dull. SOunds like a story a buddy, who actually was involved in a real war, told you. I see nothing diffucult about it. Planning a tssstirike (while that salior from last night lingers in your thoughts) Taking off at night.mmmmmmmk, GOING FAST ewwwwwww weeeeeee, 6 g turn ouch....I know kids that like that ride too at SIxflags, finding another airplane in the sky, Oh my god...a 3/4 mile approach, 4.5 hours of flying in a DAY, Jesus! Ya it sucks not getting much sleep, but EVERYONE has to deal with that junior. So all you're saying is it is tough not getting much sleep? Well that would explain lots. Low time, in-experienced pilots, tooling around with not much sleep....This needs to be investigated! Well thanks for that lovely story-I'm glad you left the details from the big dance out!

THE BEST

Yea, should have saved the effort because there is no convincing folks like you. And you are correct, most of the story is second hand, but if you bothered to stop admiring yourself and actually read my profile, you might be able to infer where my first hand accounts are in the story. Not that you care, but I have more than my share of 10+hr lines in my log book and have been into some of the most goofed up & remote airfields there are.

I really doubt that you are up to half of what any true aviator does or has done. Your attitude is sad because the truth is that we all bring a vast amount of experience to the table, mil or civ. When one looks at some of the profiles of these guys and gals, it is truely amazing.

To quote a guy in my A-4 class from 17 yrs ago: "Where did they grow you? Got back to the rock you crawled out from." We'll all be better off.

 

[VVJM265]

Well Best; I can tell you have not been there and have not done that. Because people who know people who have done that would never post that. Did you get that? In the end it does mean something, it allows you to live the life you desire in probably the best place in the world to live and do that. Of course then by your profile you know it all anyway.

Have read lots of your posts, you're a good man Charlie Brown.

VVJM265

 

[VVJM265]

He doesn't read the posts ("the truth is that we all bring a vast amount of experience to the table, mil or civ"); can't add (assuming I graduated college at 21, 17 yrs to that would be at least 38, not 33; I wish it was that still!).

I'll give him his dues for the bush flying. Good luck to anyone that has to fly with knucklehead,not enough room in an airplane for anyone else but him & his ego.

VVJM265 out on this thread.

 

[Daedalus]

"The Best's" self-confidence is inversely proportional to the size of his font. This troll is your typical pimple-faced loser in high school who couldn't get laid and "grew-up" to be a short, balding tool who has a lifetime of pent-up anger mixed with a healthy does of envy for military pilots. Keep on telling us you're "the best" and someday you might really believe it yourself. In the meantime, I'll enjoy reading your 3rd grade retorts and hope you don't contribute anything to the human gene pool.

 

[pilotyip]

Hey Best, I was just agreeing with you that you that you are the best by self-proclamation. You are the self-proclaimed best and I was accepting that as a statement of fact. But then I started to have self-doubts. I then made a counter assumption that maybe I was wrong in assuming you were the best. Not because you are not the best, but because I was making an assumption upon an unknown which could not be substantiated. This is a classic type II error, in rejecting the non-truth in assuming the stated truth is actually true. Therefore my uncertainly in accepting your claim you are best. I am uncomfortable with myself for accepting a type II error without proof. However I am very comfortable knowing I am not the best and no one can prove I am the best.

 

[PlaneStupid]

You guys are being way too unfair to the best. He probably is just a disgruntled guy or gal that washed out of UNT due to a violation of the don't ask don't tell policy. We should all give him/her a break.

 

[Deuce130]

Typical Military poet! Remember, the job is flying.....mmmmmk?! There's a bunch of you FU*CKS out there! Get out and let the real pilots GET THE JOB DONE!

THE BEST!

You're an idiot. And you obviously don't know what being a "real pilot" is all about. Real pilots SECRETLY know they're the best, and don't feel the need to proclaim it out loud. Somewhere along the way I think you watched Top Gun and got jealous that you'd never be there. I read some posts and try to assume that the writer has a certain level of intelligence, but I think I'm wrong on this count. In fact, I think I'd just rather kick your a## than try to imagine you as a reasonably thinking person.

 

[Deuce130]

Why are you on a mil to civ transition thread, anyway? Flamebait? I guess I fell for it. I'd still like to kick you a##.

 

[Deuce130]

Why are you on a mil to civ transition thread, anyway? Flamebait? I guess I fell for it. I'd still like to kick your a##.