Midway USAIR??

[chperplt]

I feel sorry for your attitude. That apparently escapes you.

No... It didn't escape me.. I understand where you're coming from, and don't like it either. I guess I'm just trying to look at the other side of the coin and see some light.

If we knew each other you would understand why I find that especially amusing. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to smile.

I'm glad I could make you laugh..

I hope you do step back every now and then and relax! Like I said, I do enjoy reading your posts.

 

[328dude]

Smokin, whats up man. Long time no hear from. I have come to the conclusion that Surplus like to appear that he is well informed of all airlines intricate workings. I never said that I liked what was going on. (Read a little harder Surplus, grandkids got your glasses?)

Even though the WO's have agreed to diffrent things, the concensus around the crew rooms with all three partys is that we still respect each other still consider each other unified and fighting for the same thing. ALG has put up a great fight and I commend them for that and support them 100%. They finally got a TA and I hope it's what they wanted.

Sending stuff back to ALPA? Right...... Would you send back a benefit check from ALPA when you needed it? .....didnt think so.
Total BS

Give it up, this time have a Ensure.

 

[surplus1]

I have come to the conclusion that Surplus like to appear that he is well informed of all airlines intricate workings.

Only thing wrong with your conclusion is that its not an "appearance", its a fact. Especially in the union.

They finally got a TA and I hope it's what they wanted.

Miraculous that it came only hours after their leader quit. I too hope they got what they wanted, but I have a sneaking suspicion that what they got was more like what DW and MK wanted them to get.

Sending stuff back to ALPA? Right...... Would you send back a benefit check from ALPA when you needed it? .....didnt think so.

It's kind of funny how so many in ALPA seem to think they can just buy whomever they want and screw whomever they want if they throw a little money at it. They're wrong, everyone isn't for sale. The 3 months of benefits don't even come close to the years of money they've taken while failing to represent our interests. If they don't change that, we just might get it all back and then some.

Give it up, this time have a Ensure.

I use Boost; better flavor.

Good luck to ya. I hope the seniority your "brothers" at USAirways take won't be yours. That way you can continue to be blase while some junior dude suffers. Now that you have a flow-through to nowhere, you should be real happy to be a potential mainline dude.

 

[surplus1]

Re: Surplus 1

Do you think a Utopia would work? Or does the yen need the yang? The fire not need the water? Good need the EVIL? Sorry that you don't approve about us, and you could do it better, I guess with age comes wisdom.

No, I think Utopia is not achievable by man. However, I also think discrimination is preventable and doesn't have to be accepted.

I don't think I could "do it better". How I would do it is irrelevant. What bothers me is the attitude of accepting whatever is done to you and the appearance of being unwilling to fight it, even if you do not win.

In this thread, you criticize me for raising the same objections that you yourself raise in other threads in different sections of the forum. There you write that you are unhappy that you were deprived of your vote. Here you infer that I'm out of line for saying that. That strikes me as inconsistent. It's OK if you disagree with me and choose a different direction. Just pick a heading and hold it (is all I'm really asking) otherwise you're just circling and going nowhere.

You seem to be saying that you don't like what's happening and, you don't like how it was done and, you don't like that "something" was decided and the pilot group doesn't even know what it is (in your other posts). Nevertheless, you get upset with me when I urge you (or others) to do something about it.

Yes, wisdom does come with age though not automatically. We don't do things right because we are older. However, being older provides the opportunity to review our past mistakes, avoid repeating them ourselves and encourage others not to keep repeating them. That's wisdom. When you've acquired the age you too will understand that component.

"It is better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all".

Help me to understand how the ALG guys could be picketing ALPA one week and 48 hours after their Chairman resigns they capitulate to ALPA. Help me to understand how you are "together" when they picketed alone (except for one ACA pilot that joined them). Where were their brothers? What am I missing?

You are correct about the value of Midway's slots. They are worth more than the 3.5 million that U is "lending" them. It is also true that whether they actually have those RJs is questionable. Bombardier seems to think they belong to them. What do you think will happen to the nearly 400 (minus those resigned)furloughed Midway pilots? Think they'll be recalled or will all the jobs go to U pilots?

Now that you folks have all "agreed", I note the coincidence of 500 new furlough's at U. Assuming all those pilots accept the regional jet jobs, where will the jets come from and when do you think you will see one on your property?

Which of the subcontractors do you think will agree to J4J? What happens if they all say no? Where will the money for all those new RJs come from then? Will they all go to MAA and the wholly owned? How long will it take to put 150 new RJs online so that the U pilots can all be recalled?

You see, I don't have all the answers. I hope you guys that agreed to all this have those answers and maybe you would share them with the rest of us?

Maybe the rest of us should just mind our own business? How should we react when ALPA comes up with the same J4J idea on the DAL, NWA, AWA or UAL properties? Will this precedent of forcing the loss of seniority be tried on us too? I guess I should just shut up and hope for the best. My union and my mainline buddys will take care of me, right?

I wish you the very best.

 

[BigFlyr]

I think they're supposed to hammer-out a final agreement this week. From what I heard through Midway channels, the original proposal not only had U pilots in 50% of the seats but 50% of them would also be captains and all U Capts. and FOs would start at $50 per hour as opposed to Midway FO's who would start
at $20 per hour. Talk about adding insult to injury!

 

[airjackson]

Surplus1,

I, for one applaud your drive and determination to protest the "representation" which ALPA affords us. To those of you who can only work up a half-hearted"give it a break, or have a twinkie", I suggest you spend your time on something more worthwhile, such as your GED.

 

[surplus1]

Re: Surplus 1

The reason that you see two different points of view from me is. What I believe in and what is given to me are two different things. What I worked for, and what is are different, I am still working for my point of view, but living with the reality of what is (and trying to make it better for us at PSA).

You are a sharp cookie,

Regards

Smoking Man

Believe me, I understand that you have been handed a very bad situation. I also understand that you have been coerced into accepting it with little control. Based on what you've written elsewhere, I got an idea of how you feel about it.

While you do have to live with reality, I'm sure you can tell from what I write, here and elsewhere, that I fight for my rights.

I'm not "against" any pilot, regional or major. I understand the plight of the U pilots, deeply regret what is happening to them, and want them to find ways to improve their situation. I don't have any ill feelings towards U pilots.

What I object to is the behavior of the labor union and the UMEC. Drastic things did have to be done and the concessions made by the U pilots were probably necessary under the circumstances. What was NOT necessary, IMO, is the union's helping one group of pilots at the expense of another group of pilots who are also members of that union.

I firmly believe there were ways to address the problem without trampling on the rights of one group while playing favorites with the other. That is what the union has done, and that action should be resisted by all legal means. It is wrong and there's no two ways about it.

I'm probably just a voice crying in the wilderness but all change originates with one voice. I may fail miserably but I won''t just quit, grin and bear it. You guys are being raped and remaining silent just makes it possible for the culprit to do it again.

I wish you all the very best.