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"US Airways Group has 4
airline subsidiaries. US Airways, Piedmont, Allegheny, and PSA. No
ONE is more important than any other. These groups should be unified and constantly working with each other to enhance the mainline, expand all their career expectations, and keep as much of the flying as possible within the group."

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!
 
How can a company which is close to Chapter 11 and asking Uncle Sam for loan guarentees even be considering buying another airline?

This airline business sure doesnt follow the rules of business that I learned. Very confusing!!!
 
ALPA national again preying on the weak for the benefit of mainline. ALPA disgusts me. They want my money for ALPA PAC to help them protect against baseball arbitration. PACK SAND ! I say let scope fall ! Regionals will explode with 90 seaters and since there will be no more collective bargaining, we can dump that band Enron/Worldcom crooks. They never made any effort to improve regional carriers anyway. Keep it up ALPA, dig your grave deeper and deeper.
 
Free enterprise, competition, capitalism, financial management.

Gentlemen - the roller coaster is coming to end of the track and the free ride is over - not saying that it was an especially enjoyable experience.

USAirways is just "playing the game". This is high stakes poker. CHQ said "no" to J4J if I read all the news correctly. The WO's don't want this shoved down their throat. The Mesa guys are talking about it, but their undercurrent is to say "no".

So then you look down the road to RDU and see an airline company that's going flat on its back after the 9/11 money runs out. What if you buy them out? They will do anything for a buck or to save a job right now. J4J sounds perfect to Midway mgmt. They stay afloat and they make their new customer very happy.

The USAirways message to all of the WO's and partners is this: "play ball or get cut out". CHQ says no but is buffered by the new Delta Connection contract. But they arent going to feel too good if USAirways says "sorry, we no longer need your services - Midway will be getting your lines." Mesa will get the message and play ball. So now USAirways has J4J working and turns to the WO's: "Are you guys going to play ball or do we cut you out (they ask)?"

It's a good hand with a bluff and a call to boot. I applaude USAirways business accumen but this stuff is hard to take when you are a union member. With the old contract with US Airways ALPA, the company in Crystal City had no wiggle room to stay in business - they were hosed - couldn't get smaller jets to compete with everyone else - they need this J4J contract to work so that they can get labor costs and fleet costs down.

As to us and our look to ALPA. Well as an old business man, I figured their game out a long time ago. My local MEC has one charter and one charter only - maximize the number of dues paying members. Period. They are almost a business. They need income and it is completely derived by increasing the size of the membership. Ergo, anything which creates more jobs is a plus. There is no loyalty to seniority. There is no loyalty to major vs. RJ. There is no real requirement for them to look out for your best interest (other than they have to create just enough incentive to "keep" you as a member - i.e. not voting them out).

J4J creates jobs. It gets people off of furlough, it keeps USAirways from going under, it creates all those "other" seat positions that will sit in the 300 RJ's that still have to be delivered.

I'm sure in the larger plan, US Airways still has a place for one "prop" carrier. Heck, somebody has to provide service for Hagerstown, MD and Cumberland, MD. Are you going to run a 50 seat RJ in there? No. The same for hundreds of small communities. So you keep one of the WO's (let's say ALG) with their Dash fleet and you spread them out to all the "small" towns and cities. (US Airways practically has a monopoly on that stuff anyway.) Then you have your 300 RJ's and the rest of the Airbus and 767 fleet. Nice blueprint if you can just keep those pesky pilots from creating a single group that would raise salaries.

This is business at it's best (but also it's worst). The organism which is a corporation wants to live and grow. It does this by lowering expenses and raising income - the best business model is to deliver a "quality" product for the lowest cost to produce at a perceived premium or "luxury" price. A corporation lives to maximize the wealth of a stockholder. Employees are an expense and always will be.

So don't be surprised by what you see. It's just the business model at work. Your response should be to remind your union that their charter is not necessarily to keep making more dollars by inviting in more members but to represent the members in COLLECTIVE bargaining for the good of all. Their job should be to maximize YOUR wealth by fighting for strong contracts and protecting your jobs. This will take cooperation by all pilots under the same union.

I've watched Philly teachers get every thing they want every September by simply working together and not showing up for the first day of class. I watched as the trash collectors in Quebec told the citizens just exactly what they wanted. Ever look to England and what exactly an english coal miner gets in the way of compensation? We need to start studying strong unions and then become one.

You may fire away. I'm just the messenger, though. Business is business and employees can either represent themselves or elect to have collective bargaining. This is how the world turns.
 
help

So what do I do if one of the WO's offers me a job in a DO-328? Is it a definite one way short trip, or is there any chance?
 
surplus1

Surplus, did I call ANYONE of ANY pilot group a scab!!? NO!! Just read and quit inserting words I didn't type.

re-read my post "They will be toeing a fine line on the definition of promoting scabbing, that is when pilots are taking the work of the current contractual pilot group and while pilots are on furlough... or for that matter even putting pilots on furlough to bring in a pilot from outside the pilot group to take a currently occupied seat to assure the 50% requirement is met."

What I did was post just like many others that I have heard hundreds of pilots calling other pilots "scabs" b/c of so many various reasons I cannot name them all. I do believe, and you can correct me in a non-curt way, this will set a precedent (meaning it has never happened before) where ALPA has signed and used union dollars to back the replacement of ALPA pilots jobs, with other preffered ALPA pilots. YOU GIVE ME A NEW DEFINITION AND WE CAN SUBMIT IT TOGETHER FOR THE NEXT FLYING THE LINE SERIES. I will be holding a picket sign on the day they show up to the property! Does anyone else think they would join me or go to their hq's and hold a picket sign when they show up to walk in the front door as your pilots are pushed out the back???????????????????

Surplus asserted, "With all due respect canadflyau, where have you been? ALPA has already set the precedent. The ALPA has already defined a preffered group of member pilots. " I didn't know that they had! If so, many other pilot groups than just CC Air would be dragging ALPA into legal procedings. Do point me to a past example where ALPA has put contractual legal language together and signed it knowing that they are violating other ALPA pilots contracts, and taking their jobs away!! I guess maybe its not scabbing but clearly is called STEALING! Makes them crooks, and robbers. They are stealing/stripping our only tangible assets away: our seniority, and in many cases our actual means to support our familes.

numb to the continual pain,
canadflyau
 
Canadflyau,

My friend you and I are on the same side. Don't get tangled up in semantics. It's not scabbing, but it is the dirtiest way to play pool.

Why do you think Comair pilots are suing ALPA? I can assure you it is NOT to get on Delta's seniority list. It is to keep ALPA from taking away the jobs and the growth we've had for 25 years. That is why I said they are already doing it.

I support the USAG wholly owned carriers. I think what is being done to them is atrocious. Yes management is a part of it, but the union is supporting the U pilots at the expense of other ALPA pilots and their lives. I think the WO's should be suing too.

There are other ways that this could have been done to give the Company what it needs, help the furloughed U pilots get back to work and NOT shaft the WO's in the process. It wasn't done that way. ALPA made the choice to do it they way that they have. I'm dead set against it and I think you all should be doing something about it. I do not understand why you are not.

Maybe you can help me to understand. Anyway, we are on the same side. I'm just touchy about the word Scab. If we keep changing its meaning, it will have no meaning.

Regards
 
tarp said:
The USAirways message to all of the WO's and partners is this: "play ball or get cut out". CHQ says no but is buffered by the new Delta Connection contract. But they arent going to feel too good if USAirways says "sorry, we no longer need your services - Midway will be getting your lines."


It's true the CHQ pilots voted down J4J but we did it before the Delta deal was public. As for CHQ getting shut out I doubt that. Our parent company "Wexford" was the one who got Shuttle America their deal with U after they bought them out.

Wexford is also debtor in possession at Midway. That might be the conection that got the a U deal.

Midway also has gate space at RDU. USAir could increase thier presents in a major NC market, important business center and one of the fastest growing communities.

It also gives Wexford another pilot group to leverage against the CHQ pilots.

In other words gentlemen, it looks like a giant sh1t sandwich and we are all going to have to take a bite.
 

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