mid atlantic airlines

[Dash8]

especially since they all said no before, and seeing the ibt's response to the issue, i have no idea how you get 60%

i know many of them, and i think you highly over estimate the 'attraction' of working at your company

 

[Sig]

Very true. However, the nature of the pilot group at present day(and probably future) CHQ is different than the nature of the groups at PDT and ALG back in the 90's. And would the existing CHQ pilot group allow a couple of washed up wholly-owned pilots any say in such matters?

Hmm. Tongue in cheek much? I dig it.

He!!, all of us are washed up now, right? Leonard, Wolfie, Jonathan Livingston Siegel...

Best of luck to you, hunnert set. Hope you land on your feet.

 

[ERJDRVR2]

especially since they all said no before, and seeing the ibt's response to the issue, i have no idea how you get 60%

i know many of them, and i think you highly over estimate the 'attraction' of working at your company

Well boys, 50% of the seats and a majority of the pilots are 2 different things. The MDA guys will come here in large numbers if/when their grievance is denied. It is one thing to hang tough now when you have a job @ MDA, it is another to face unemployment and not put food on the table.

And what exactly was IBT's response to the issue? You mean the fact that we were gracious enough to supercede our own people and give the MDA folks a 3rd chance and keeping a job? Shame on us for being so heartless. We feel for you and the loss of jobs. I am sick and tired of defending my company to the likes of Comair/ALG/Piedmont.

Life sucks, we all makes choices, good and bad. USAIR screwed you up the river AGAIN. The pilots @ RAH/CHQ/SA are offering you another chance to keep a job. What other regional is offering those folks a chance to keep their job.

NOT ONE AIRLINE.

Shame on us for stealing everyones flying, for being whores of the industry.....blah blah blah...



FLAME AWAY

 

[EMB170Pilot]

That's the way I see it..At least we are doing SOMETHING!!


Oh well! Their will always be scum bag pilots out there that dislike CHQ/SA/RP

for what I dunno...Maybe its jealousy...I don't care! Come on over if life sucks at your airline...or quit aviation.....or just shut your pie hole

 

[Traumahawk]

Wasn't there an airline way back when that flew routes in the NE as Allegheny Commuter for the REAL Allegheny...before the most recent version was even a thought??

I think they flew Beech 99's out of Jamestown but I could be mistaken.

 

[Dash8301]

EMB170 we dislike CHQ, MESA, TSA, Colgan because the whole industry is driven down by your lowball contracts. Grow pair and stand up for what pilots are worth or stop whinning when the rest of us hate you

 

[I.P. Freley]

EMB170 we dislike CHQ, MESA, TSA, Colgan because the whole industry is driven down by your lowball contracts. Grow pair and stand up for what pilots are worth or stop whinning when the rest of us hate you

Gosh, I wish I'd been hired by PDT back in the day (or hadn't turned down the ALG interview)... Life sounds much more interesting when you are this embittered and see everyone else around you as being the enemy.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Frankly Scarlet(Dash), I don't give a damn... what you think....

Go ahead...Hate Away..I'll just smile and wave! Later biaaaaaaaatch

 

[FatAlbert]

EMB170 we dislike CHQ, MESA, TSA, Colgan because the whole industry is driven down by your lowball contracts. Grow pair and stand up for what pilots are worth or stop whinning when the rest of us hate you

Hey Hey Hey!!

I think somebody's ovaries hurt?

 

[Catbird]

I don't believe other pilot groups dislike the SHi*eaters at TSA, MESA or CHQ. The problem is the stench and odor which invades a room when one of the youngsters walks in with his buddy and they both smile and have Shi* smeared on their "Piehole". If the idiots would just clean up a little, the Lav Cart Technician might offer some much needed career advice.

 

[E170Guppykiller]

Why does everybody hate us? We are just trying to earn a living here, just like you are.

 

[E170Guppykiller]

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[OPECJet]

Why does everybody hate us? We are just trying to earn a living here, just like you are.

Then act like it the next time your contract negotiations come around. We're all trying to earn a living. Unfortunately when one airline lowballs, the rest suffer. I don't think there is any pilot group who would not support CHQ and or Mesa in raising the bar at their respective company when its time to hit the negotiating tables again.

Plain and simple, get over the 1 week upgrade, SNJ syndrome, the "my airplane can beat up your airplane syndrome", and ACT like the professional pilots you trained hard to be by not giving up pay and QOL for the previously mentioned dangled carrots.

 

[k9nole]

It is one thing to hang tough now when you have a job @ MDA, it is another to face unemployment and not put food on the table.
/QUOTE]

Might be surprised at how few come over.
There are many reasons why most wont:

Commute and no J/S reservation.

Been furloughed once, some have been 2 and 3 times. Unemployment checks will supplement the two months of low training pay. $450 a week in PA plus state pays for job training. Some pilots furloughed in 2002 had their 737 type paid in full.

Training contract.
Some J4J pilots that went to Mesa were held for 8 months after the 1 year at the rock. Those pilots wanted to leave and go to MDA but USAir held them at Mesa. Pilots lost money, lost vacation, lost hair, increased stress etc.

If, a BIG IF, USAirways/AmericaWest starts to call back before the year training contract is complete?

Most pilots including the CDL pilots have been in the industry for over 10 years starting back at year one at a commuter airline with QOL issues; not worth it.

Currently, there are 7-10 pilots a month quiting MDA. Ranging from Real Estate to starting their own business to Flight Safety Instructors to Corporate Pilots.

Travel Benefits would actually decrease. A Furloughed pilot would actually have boarding priority before a contract carrier pilot. If the plane has seats.

Not trying to downplay CHQ, all of these issues would surface at any other commuter/airline.

Again for those that have a reading comprehention problem, the pilots at MDA are not pilots starting their careers in aviation building time trying to get to the "Majors". Been there done that with the furloughs, already have a senority number at Usairways/AmericaWest if they wanted to go to a commuter, they would have done the J4J with CHQ years prior.

Why not start a career out of aviation now in case USAirways doesn't call back? CDL pilots (PDT nd ALG) do have recall rights to the new USAirways if and when they call back.


I see maybe 50 pilots going if MDA loses the arbitration and maybe 50% going if they win.

 

[SizzleChest]

I blame the pilots at majors for lowering the bar.... they gave up trip/duty rig, pension, intl/nite override pay, QOL, pay, etc.... now that they don't have it I can't get it for my next contract.... no more parity + 1% for me..... now I have to make good with what i can get and face the fact I will be here for a while doing this at a regional.... those guys at majors ask about coming to work here and at a fractional job.... they were DAL 767 pilots.....

 

[BenderGonzales]

Start looking to corporate jobs gentlemen. Print a list of Fortune 500 companies and start emailing pilots (this site is a good start) and making friends. There are jobs out there that are superior to major airline jobs in almost every way. Be humble, network! network! network!

You'll most likely be leaving the airlines forever, but in exchange you'll enjoy very few overnights, very few weekends or holidays away from your family, fantastic equipment, fantastic training, no more TSA, no more ALPA...

Check the NBAA for average corporate-jet payscales by region and by type. Corporate aviation (NOT fractional or 135) is where you will find the cream-of-the-crop jobs for the foreseeable future.

Good luck!

 

[Thurman Merman]

colgan?

First of all colgan doesn't belong in this discussion. We don't even have a contract to lower the bar with. We are on an entirely different bottom than the other afore mentioned bottom feeders. Oh, as for stealing routes, I'm sorry we took away Jamestown to PIT via Bradley from mainline. I don't fly for a regional I fly for a commuter albiet not a stellar one. Last time I checked we weren't flying saabs halfway across the country once dominated by mainline routes. I jumpseated with an airbus crew not too long ago and they asked me how I felt about the 170. In my opinion its a mainline airplane flying mainline routes with regional pilots, they liked that one. So if you want to talk about lowering the bar we'll be on the special olympics field running into it. and yes OLD A$$ DUSTY PROP SYNDROME has worn off.

 

[Traumahawk]

Then act like it the next time your contract negotiations come around. .....and ACT like the professional pilots you trained hard to be by not giving up pay and QOL for the previously mentioned dangled carrots.

I'm a mid seniority F/O and my QOL is absolutely wonderful. I wasn't even here for the last contract, and it looks like For the FIRST round of BIG contract negotations this group has ever seen, they didn't do too shabby. This was a 500 pilot airline less than 5 years ago. You just don't have the big picture. You line up a couple pay scales and say whooaa SJS!!!

What they did avoid was a G0Jets fiasco. They gave up a lot for that. A Lot.
In addition...
No Junior Manning.
Short reserve times.
Block or better Etc... Etc... Etc...

and Yes, right now, a quicker upgrade than most. Looks like by contract negotiation time the upgrade will likely be leveling off at 2 1/2 to 3+ years....

Huh...Looks like the plan worked. They got ONE seniority list for ALL flying....loads of growth, good work rules and up to now and counting..Unless you choose not to advance, you are without a doubt making well over $40/hr here before your third year. And you probably don't even know what a high speed is after all is said and done.

And with all this off the table, I'd say were in a nice position for focusing on payscales and finer points during the next contract which is rapidly approaching. Should be right in time to take care of this single F/O scale that tops out 3 years down the road...knock wood. Noone hits a home-run on the first swing...these guys did what was best for their airline. If you think it screwed YOU, you're just ignorant. Go get a funny hat and open up a hotdog stand. You're better off.

T-Hawk

P.S. I haven't seen a single argument here by a non CHQ pilot that could hold any weight. Whats easier than to cover jeaousy in name calling and finger pointing....an airline is growing during a tough time in the industry. How dare they. And you're not even here to have a minute's insight as to how it really is and how wrong you are. Stereotypes are the easiest way to go.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Thurman,

In all fairness, 1977 Allegheny did fly the DC9 to Bradford, along with Clarksburg, Parkersburg, Utica and a few other choice locations in PA, OH, and NY.

We'll give you reprieve though even though you're flying a fancy turboprop with a fantastic autopilot and efis.

If you REALLY had "old A$$ dusty prop syndrome" you'd be driving around in a Metro or maybe a Jetstream with deferred freon air!

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables and Maps/USAir Compressed/ALmap7708.jpg

 

[Dash8301]

Then act like it the next time your contract negotiations come around. We're all trying to earn a living. Unfortunately when one airline lowballs, the rest suffer. I don't think there is any pilot group who would not support CHQ and or Mesa in raising the bar at their respective company when its time to hit the negotiating tables again.

Plain and simple, get over the 1 week upgrade, SNJ syndrome, the "my airplane can beat up your airplane syndrome", and ACT like the professional pilots you trained hard to be by not giving up pay and QOL for the previously mentioned dangled carrots.

Amen Brother.