Micro Manager Sir Captains.

[huncowboy]

I guess I have no life. It is nice to be home on reserve though. I have not been home this much since I started my private.

First let me correct you, it was a struggle AT Mesa not for it. Yes it was my choice to work there and at 1000 hours I really didnt know jack about who I was really working for.

So you work for Mesa. Or at least you have worked there. I really don’t blame you but it is fun to watch a full meltdown when you are called out on it.

Here is another post from you giving some terrible advice to people. I hope you didn’t actually mean this. I only paste/copy the juicy stuff just for the heck of it LOL. Enjoy:

Let me explain how to survive your first year at an airline. Even if you know how to do something (radios, approaches, whatever), or you’ve been told the 100th time how to do something, your job as an F/O is to smile, thank the CA for his words of wisdom and keep flying. Try being humble and not cocky or over sensitive when given advice, it may save your ass one day.

As a F/O, you have the opportunity to learn from different CA out there. Everybody has a SOP to follow, yet everybody has their unique interpretation of the SOP and their own technique when it comes to flying. By shutting your mouth and opening your eyes you can learn what works and more importantly what doesn’t. When its your certificate on the line you will feel the same way about pilots like yourself. TIFWIW

To sum it up:
You expect your FO’s to smile while you are flying out of SOP. Very good! Combine that with making assumptions based on next to no information. At least that is what you have been doing with my posts, and with the other guy’s post about micro management. Is that the great experience you have gained being a 121 CA?

There was another post, at airlinepilotcentral about a VA captain that did not care to read WX and he was a jerk otherwise etc… Is that you?

News for you:
This thread is about you! Feel free to contribute.

 

[pilotgolfer]

never mind

 

[Princedietrich]

You should drop to your knees and thank whatever higher power you answer to that you have one of these "micro manager sir captains" and not one of the captains that came from the generation before them. Try spending a 4 day trip with someone who sees everything you do as wrong, and makes sure you know it. Try sharing a cockpit with someone who sees you as nothing more than a low-life mouth breather, and makes sure you know it. Try flying with someone who gets 3 inches from your face and dresses you down at the top of his lungs for making an honest minor mistake, and he does it in front of the flight attendants AND the passengers. Try sitting next to someone who knows they are the Lord Almighty Himself in that left seat and will not accept any information to the contrary. Try to deal with someone who can and WILL get you fired in an instant if you screw up the slightest little bit, or have a contrary opinion, or if god forbid you correct them or otherwise "make them look bad."

Do that, and then tell me how awful those micro manager sir captains are.

 

[Ty Webb]

Seems like maybe his post hit a few of you a liitle too close to home.

I would guess by his screen name that English is not his first language, and I would bet that if he wasn't trying to write "tongue in cheek", he would probably write as well or better than most of the people on this board.

I can definitely identify with his post . . . . reminds me of my first year at da Tranny.

In my observation, the most controlling and micro-managing Captains were almost always the weakest pilots, and/or the Scabs, who were terrified of losing their job, since no one else would hire them.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Good popst, Ty!

 

[Ty Webb]

You should drop to your knees and thank whatever higher power you answer to that you have one of these "micro manager sir captains" and not one of the captains that came from the generation before them. .

Spoken like a true idiot.

How OLD are you, anyway? Apparently, some sort of dust-farting dinosaur has arrived, right here in our midst . . . . Here's a great idea, Chief- why don't you go pick up the grandkids (or the great-grandkids) and put 'em up in the back window of your Buick and take 'em on a long drive . . . . you know, like we USED to do, before we KNEW BETTER?

Or, better yet, let's run a perfectly good L-1011 full of people into the ground, because King Captain was overseeing the changing of a light bulb. . . . you know, like we USED to DO.

F'in moron

 

[Princedietrich]

I'm old enough to have been on the receiving end of the wrath of a "golden age of flying" era, Tennessee good ol boy, I'm right and you're scum captain.

Did I say that these guys were good to fly with? Definitely not, and in fact I promised myself that I would never become like that.

If you were literate, you would have noticed that I was saying the original poster should be thankful he's sitting next to a picky control freak and not one of the 4-stripe monsters who used to run things. I'm stating that unless he's flown with one of these types, he's got no room to complain and actually is a lot better off than many of us.

I won't stoop to your level by calling you an f'n idiot,

 

[Axel]

Spoken like a true idiot.

How OLD are you, anyway? Apparently, some sort of dust-farting dinosaur has arrived, right here in our midst . . . . Here's a great idea, Chief- why don't you go pick up the grandkids (or the great-grandkids) and put 'em up in the back window of your Buick and take 'em on a long drive . . . . you know, like we USED to do, before we KNEW BETTER?

Or, better yet, let's run a perfectly good L-1011 full of people into the ground, because King Captain was overseeing the changing of a light bulb. . . . you know, like we USED to DO.

F'in moron

I believe this poster is offended that you are occupying his seat.

 

[Princedietrich]

A right comfortable seat it is, too. Excellent lumbar support, and the armrests are in just the right spot.

Alright Ty, what say we just agree to disagree on this one, I'll go have a beer and you go do..... whatever it is that you do.

 

[front9]

I contributed to this post with just a little jab and you went and took the gloves off so allow me to retort. First, I DID work for Mesa a long long time ago when we were still flying nothing but 1900’s & a few dash 8’s. Before that, I threw bags, worked cargo, operations you name it. So I've been in the business for a while, whats your experience buddy?

Reread my post again, the one you call “terrible advice” and you’ll see nothing in there about me expecting my f/o’s to smile as I yell “yeehaa” punching holes in clouds flying non-SOP breaking every reg. Everything in there is old-school, from an era you know nothing about. I meant everything I wrote in the post you quoted and stand by it. Believe it or not there is a chain of command in the cockpit and you aint anywhere near the top. As an f/o, its your job to be a chameleon and adapt to whatever style or tone the CA sets. AGAIN, if you aren’t going to break a reg or become a brown spot in a mountain adapt, shut your mouth and stop making a big deal out of everything.

I tell you to look at yourself and suddenly you become defensive(look at your last post in all caps). Did I touch a nerve little boy? You are the perfect micro-managing right-seat captain. It all looks easy from the right seat doesn’t it. You get to sit there and watch your experienced captain make all the hard decisions and wonder “why is this idiot not doing it this way?” One day you will learn, but lets hope you never occupy the left seat for safety’s sake.

Now news for you; your summary is way off base, I obviously touched a nerve with you & got to watch you go into a full meltdown. Reread your own thread again, all of this is really about you. BTW, you still never answered my question, have you ever been a CA for a 121 carrier? Thanks for the laughs payaso.

 

[PCL_128]

But when someone tells you that you have burned a bunch of fuel because you went down from 350 to 300 2 min earlier than the 3:1 indicates, that is BS, especially when the same person does not want you to use spoilers ever. Ohhh but he will turn 2 almost all the time after push.

Or if you are flying downwind and trying to slow from 250 to 200 and he says not to. Then he makes you wait until you have to drop the gear. It makes no sense to me to haul butt flying 5NM away from the runway in the wrong direction. No traffic behind us btw. Also the gear scares the people in the back at 250. It is loud and you can’t hear ******************** in the cockpit. How about do not put the flaps down at 10NM. I am learning the profiles and energy of the plane and until I am comfortable I prefer to slow down on schedule and avoid high speed approaches. Why is that wrong? Especially when it is right out of the book.

I agree with you that micro-managing CAs are a pain in the ass, and I've had the misfortune of flying with one or two of them since coming to the Tran, but what you've described above isn't micro-managing, IMO. Configuring early burns extra fuel. Starting down early burns extra fuel. Slowing down too early messes up ATC's flow. These are legitimate gripes from the CA. Maybe he was a jerk outside of the above examples, but I don't think he was out of line to question you on these items.

 

[front9]

Quote:
Originally Posted by huncowboy
But when someone tells you that you have burned a bunch of fuel because you went down from 350 to 300 2 min earlier than the 3:1 indicates, that is BS, especially when the same person does not want you to use spoilers ever. Ohhh but he will turn 2 almost all the time after push.

Or if you are flying downwind and trying to slow from 250 to 200 and he says not to. Then he makes you wait until you have to drop the gear. It makes no sense to me to haul butt flying 5NM away from the runway in the wrong direction. No traffic behind us btw. Also the gear scares the people in the back at 250. It is loud and you can’t hear ******************** in the cockpit. How about do not put the flaps down at 10NM. I am learning the profiles and energy of the plane and until I am comfortable I prefer to slow down on schedule and avoid high speed approaches. Why is that wrong? Especially when it is right out of the book.


Here he is - the me generation. Dont tell me what to do cause I know everything. Good job wonder pilot. PCL is 100% correct, the CA should question you, there is the book way then the real world way to do things. Then theres the gaycowboy way...

 

[GogglesPisano]

Allow me to sum up the last 4 pages ...


It's not what you say, but how you say it. A lot of old-timers have a problem with the last part.

That is all.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Allow me to sum up the last 4 pages ...


It's not what you say, but how you say it. A lot of old-timers have a problem with the last part.

That is all.

Sure, it makes it alot better when you have to use your Star Trek "Universal Translator" to figure out what the guy next to you is actually trying to get across.

I have alot more respect for someone who just says what they mean in few words than someone who uses PC "diplo-speak" to tip-toe around what they really mean. Or around here, I like to call it "Blue-Speak".

Having flown with alot of old-timers, at least you can get them pegged from the get-go instead of having to figure out that they have a personality disorder right after the proverbial fit hits the shan.

No offense Goggles, just a counter point.

 

[AWACoff]

gator,

You are all correct with the above. I did suck it up, I did not mention names, and to be honest the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me.
Thanks!

Well obviously when he started to THRUST you, you took it like a champ and didn't even cry. Bravo, Braaaaavoooo (golf clap).